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JulesWinfield 12-18-2022 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3554658)
Not last place. Forgot about allegiant and frontier, who are probably considered more of our “peers” than delta.

The NC made it very clear that these are our peers. They even had the nerve to say we should tell our Delta buddies to step up their game since they’re taking a smaller percentage of the revenue pie than we are.

GearedUp 12-18-2022 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3554707)
Who is it? Initials only is cool

DW….FO Rep. I mean think about that, we already lost one of our Negotiating Committee members to United. Now we are losing a MEC member to Delta, all the while he is in the chats selling this crap TA like it’s the best deal ever.

sioux8ships 12-18-2022 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554712)
DW….FO Rep. I mean think about that, we already lost one of our Negotiating Committee members to United. Now we are losing a MEC member to Delta, all the while he is in the chats selling this crap TA like it’s the best deal ever.

There’s your sign!!

flyingmonkeys 12-18-2022 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554704)
That’s the plan, unlike the LEC 18 Rep who is going to be Voting Yes twice for this Sh!t TA on his way out the door to Delta.

Can you blame him? He still thinks he’s a SAPA rep.
This is ALPA my man. Not student council.

CRJdriver2017 12-18-2022 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3554658)
Not last place. Forgot about allegiant and frontier, who are probably considered more of our “peers” than delta.

Frontier here. Happy to claim last. I would say Allegiant is behind us for now. Who knows how long?

SpeedBrakes 12-18-2022 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554704)
That’s the plan, unlike the LEC 18 Rep who is going to be Voting Yes twice for this Sh!t TA on his way out the door to Delta.

Agree with cleaning house. NC has become a comical joke around the internet/chat groups. As for the "LEC 18 Rep" he has gone into hiding since this news broke about him leaving. Pathetic, needs to step down TODAY! No Balls.

flyingmonkeys 12-18-2022 10:47 AM

I’ll be honest. I want a new TA but I’m not certain about the “cleaning house” aspect. Eventually yes. That takes time and will delay a new proposal I’m sure. We need to shoot this down and bring the company back asap. We have their dice in a vice. I wish more pilots were aware of just how desperate they are.

SpeedBrakes 12-18-2022 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554712)
DW….FO Rep. I mean think about that, we already lost one of our Negotiating Committee members to United. Now we are losing a MEC member to Delta, all the while he is in the chats selling this crap TA like it’s the best deal ever.

Sadly 90% of the pilots in his bases, do not know this. I posted this 2 weeks ago but post got deleted. Maybe do the same in the DFW chat to make our pilots who are staying here, know.
Call him out on it and see what he has to say.

GearedUp 12-18-2022 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3554743)
Sadly 90% of the pilots in his bases, do not know this. I posted this 2 weeks ago but post got deleted. Maybe do the same in the DFW chat to make our pilots who are staying here, know.
Call him out on it and see what he has to say.

Time to call him out!

Noisecanceller 12-18-2022 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys (Post 3554740)
I’ll be honest. I want a new TA but I’m not certain about the “cleaning house” aspect. Eventually yes. That takes time and will delay a new proposal I’m sure. We need to shoot this down and bring the company back asap. We have their dice in a vice. I wish more pilots were aware of just how desperate they are.


Agreed. Changing the NC is the wrong move now. Vote it down, send them back, and company will be back in short order. Wasting time burning down and rebuilding our own house isn’t the right move at this time.

The NC did most of what was asked of them but fell short and also considering the delta AIP three days prior to us it should have been a pause to reevaluate. Then JetBlue same should have happened. They still have a chance but I’m thinking it won’t go back without a vote bc Alpa legal probably won’t allow it. Same reason the MEC voted unanimously. They probably didn’t have a choice from a legal standpoint.

It’s up to us now. Vote it down with instructions to come back with JetBlue or better period. Ball is in spirits court at that point and they’ll be forced to play all even if they spin their wheels for a couple weeks waiting for us to rip easch other apart.


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