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GearedUp 12-18-2022 09:20 AM

After the TA Fails….Time to Clean House
 
I’ve called my 109 reps this week, it’s time for the NC to go. I am so sick and tired of the whole “Get em next time” mantra. We have been in last place for several contracts now. The B6 AK and DA TAs absolutely put ours to shame. Especially for the junior pilots on property. Year 12 isn’t bad, but for junior NK pilots be $40 below DA, $30 below JB, and $20 below AK at DOS is absolutely pathetic. Especially since JB and AK both got snap ups to Legacy Carriers. It’s time to clean house on the NC after this TA fails. They have lost all perspective and I’m shocked they are still trying to sell this Sh!t Sanwhich at the road shows. I just threw my Orange Lanyard away, our Legacy is last place. Can’t wait to vote No! Keep calling and putting pressure on your reps to get these guys to fire the NC, just like UA and AA just did.

Spirit doesn’t get a special deal on A320s, or Fuel, or Gates just because they are Spirit. It should be no different for us. They can do what they need to do to figure out how to pay for everything. That’s their job, ours is to move passengers safely from A to B. And our job, shouldn’t subsidize the operation and the low tier management team that runs it!

DeltaDave2022 12-18-2022 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554651)
I’ve called my 109 reps this week, it’s time for the NC to go. I am so sick and tired of the whole “Get em next time” mantra. We have been in last place for several contracts now. The B6 AK and DA TAs absolutely put ours to shame. Especially for the junior pilots on property. Year 12 isn’t bad, but for junior NK pilots be $40 below DA, $30 below JB, and $20 below AK at DOS is absolutely pathetic. Especially since JB and AK both got snap ups to Legacy Carriers. It’s time to clean house on the NC after this TA fails. They have lost all perspective and I’m shocked they are still trying to sell this Sh!t Sanwhich at the road shows. I just threw my Orange Lanyard away, our Legacy is last place. Can’t wait to vote No! Keep calling and putting pressure on your reps to get these guys to fire the NC, just like UA and AA just did.

Spirit doesn’t get a special deal on A320s, or Fuel, or Gates just because they are Spirit. It should be no different for us. They can do what they need to do to figure out how to pay for everything. That’s their job, ours is to move passengers safely from A to B. And our job, shouldn’t subsidize the operation and the low tier management team that runs it!

www.delta.com

baseball3792 12-18-2022 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554651)
I’ve called my 109 reps this week, it’s time for the NC to go. I am so sick and tired of the whole “Get em next time” mantra. We have been in last place for several contracts now. The B6 AK and DA TAs absolutely put ours to shame. Especially for the junior pilots on property. Year 12 isn’t bad, but for junior NK pilots be $40 below DA, $30 below JB, and $20 below AK at DOS is absolutely pathetic. Especially since JB and AK both got snap ups to Legacy Carriers. It’s time to clean house on the NC after this TA fails. They have lost all perspective and I’m shocked they are still trying to sell this Sh!t Sanwhich at the road shows. I just threw my Orange Lanyard away, our Legacy is last place. Can’t wait to vote No! Keep calling and putting pressure on your reps to get these guys to fire the NC, just like UA and AA just did.

Spirit doesn’t get a special deal on A320s, or Fuel, or Gates just because they are Spirit. It should be no different for us. They can do what they need to do to figure out how to pay for everything. That’s their job, ours is to move passengers safely from A to B. And our job, shouldn’t subsidize the operation and the low tier management team that runs it!

Not last place. Forgot about allegiant and frontier, who are probably considered more of our “peers” than delta.

GearedUp 12-18-2022 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by baseball3792 (Post 3554658)
Not last place. Forgot about allegiant and frontier, who are probably considered more of our “peers” than delta.

When Allegiant got their last TA, the MD80 rate was $228, $20 hire an hour than Delta. Look at Sun Country and the rates they just got. That’s my problem with this place, the majority of the pilots are so beat down they normalize losing.

GearedUp 12-18-2022 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaDave2022 (Post 3554657)
www.delta.com

Funny you say that, just got my CJO and waiting for a class date. Tough to leave the left seat, but after seeing what we just negotiated and how our negotiators are defending it, makes leaving that much easier.

flyingmonkeys 12-18-2022 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554669)
Funny you say that, just got my CJO and waiting for a class date. Tough to leave the left seat, but after seeing what we just negotiated and how our negotiators are defending it, makes leaving that much easier.

congrats. Help us out with a no vote before you go

SSlow 12-18-2022 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554669)
Funny you say that, just got my CJO and waiting for a class date. Tough to leave the left seat, but after seeing what we just negotiated and how our negotiators are defending it, makes leaving that much easier.

As an added bonus, you'll get to work with people like deltad!ckface2022. But at least you'll be getting paid.

GearedUp 12-18-2022 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys (Post 3554691)
congrats. Help us out with a no vote before you go

That’s the plan, unlike the LEC 18 Rep who is going to be Voting Yes twice for this Sh!t TA on his way out the door to Delta.

SSlow 12-18-2022 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3554704)
That’s the plan, unlike the LEC 18 Rep who is going to be Voting Yes twice for this Sh!t TA on his way out the door to Delta.

Who is it? Initials only is cool

GearedUp 12-18-2022 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3554694)
As an added bonus, you'll get to work with people like deltad!ckface2022. But at least you'll be getting paid.

With a 12 month upgrade I’ll get to spend 1 year with Dick Heads and 28 more years flying with my favorite Captain. But yes, money is why we all do this job. Why make .70 cents on the Dollar flying A321s between DFW and ATL just because “Spirit will always be Spirit.” It’s time for the pilots here to sac up, vote no, and demand industry standard pay to do the same job every other pilot does.


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