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Excargodog 01-14-2023 02:45 PM

You would think…
 
… if management really thought the new TA would help recruiting, they would have updated the Spirit APC profile by now. Instead they are still showing numbers inferior to those of F9.

CincoDeMayo 01-14-2023 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571450)
… if management really thought the new TA would help recruiting, they would have updated the Spirit APC profile by now. Instead they are still showing numbers inferior to those of F9.

Seriously? You think Bendo is sitting around saying “let’s email APC again for an update on rates”


This site is ran by like 3 people and the owners collect ad revenue. I doubt they have a team working on pay updates in real time.


Nobody cares.

8JRMfortheyear 01-14-2023 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3571462)
Seriously? You think Bendo is sitting around saying “let’s email APC again for an update on rates”


This site is ran by like 3 people and the owners collect ad revenue. I doubt they have a team working on pay updates in real time.


Nobody cares.

lmfao LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

afterburn81 01-14-2023 03:25 PM

You’d think…..

A pilot looking for a job would do a little more research on what they should expect to be paid before applying with a specific company.

If you chose not to apply at NK because you saw undesirable pay rates, on an unofficial site, NK probably didn’t want you anyways. Most places wouldn’t want that guy.

Excargodog 01-14-2023 03:34 PM

Takes someone in recruiting 20 minutes to do an update of a one page profile, most of that cut and paste. And the target demographic routinely reads APC, as demonstrated by all the naive questions asked.

GearedUp 01-14-2023 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571478)
Takes someone in recruiting 20 minutes to do an update of a one page profile, most of that cut and paste. And the target demographic routinely reads APC, as demonstrated by all the naive questions asked.

Look at how Sh!tty our IT and websites are. You think Spirit cares about APC when we still have phones crashing, 12 different websites for everything, and glitchy application systems.

WHACKMASTER 01-14-2023 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571478)
Takes someone in recruiting 20 minutes to do an update of a one page profile, most of that cut and paste. And the target demographic routinely reads APC, as demonstrated by all the naive questions asked.

You know you can send in an update to APC yourself, right?

WHACKMASTER 01-14-2023 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3571462)
Seriously? You think Bendo is sitting around saying “let’s email APC again for an update on rates”


This site is ran by like 3 people and the owners collect ad revenue. I doubt they have a team working on pay updates in real time.


Nobody cares.

There. It took me all of three minutes to update our pilot count on our profile page.

CincoDeMayo 01-14-2023 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3571508)
Look at how Sh!tty our IT and websites are. You think Spirit cares about APC when we still have phones crashing, 12 different websites for everything, and glitchy application systems.

Exactly!

This has to be a new "face palm" for ExCargo posts. The fact he created a thread for it, thanks for the laughs.

FNGFO 01-14-2023 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by GearedUp (Post 3571508)
Look at how Sh!tty our IT and websites are. You think Spirit cares about APC when we still have phones crashing, 12 different websites for everything, and glitchy application systems.

Its not remotely a Spirit phenomenon I’m sorry to say.

Excargodog 01-14-2023 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3571527)
There. It took me all of three minutes to update our pilot count on our profile page.

Apparently not:

https://i.ibb.co/Vx9189t/8-FE331-BC-...689-EC2175.jpg

WHACKMASTER 01-14-2023 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571546)

It takes the moderators quite a while to review the update and make the change, Einstein.

Excargodog 01-14-2023 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3571549)
It takes the moderators quite a while to review the update and make the change, Einstein.

All the more reason for someone OFFICIAL to be doing that from management, Einstein.

WHACKMASTER 01-14-2023 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571550)
All the more reason for someone OFFICIAL to be doing that from management, Einstein.

Omg, you’re insufferable. Go ahead. Tell us how the regional model is about to collapse. We’re all ears FFS.

WHACKMASTER 01-14-2023 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571550)
All the more reason for someone OFFICIAL to be doing that from management, Einstein.

Are you really that clueless that you think anyone from NK or SWA management or DLA for that matter are going to spend their time updating their respective airline’s APC profile? Cause if so…..well, that’s just straight up hilarious.

Excargodog 01-14-2023 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3571556)
Are you really that clueless that you think anyone from NK or SWA management or DLA for that matter are going to spend their time updating their respective airline’s APC profile? Cause if so…..well, that’s just straight up hilarious.

Are you really that clueless that you believe the moderators are going to modify the company profile on the PM message word of some anonymous poster? They have repeatedly said that they are unable to change the profile themselves, and that it must be done by the owners of the airline pilot central com site, and then only with verification by the company. Cause if you are that ignorant, You might want to stop embarrassing yourself with your postings.

WHACKMASTER 01-14-2023 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571560)
Are you really that clueless that you believe the moderators are going to modify the company profile on the PM message word of some anonymous poster? They have repeatedly said that they are unable to change the profile themselves, and that it must be done by the owners of the airline pilot central com site, and then only with verification by the company. Cause if you are that ignorant, You might want to stop embarrassing yourself with your postings.

You’re absolutely right 😉


🙄

Tranquility 01-14-2023 06:02 PM

BOOBS…

That is all….

(I thought I’d add something constructive to this thread….) :D

Excargodog 01-14-2023 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3571569)
BOOBS…

That is all….

(I thought I’d add something constructive to this thread….) :D


What, no graphics…?
;)

Tranquility 01-14-2023 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571574)
What, no graphics…?
;)

I wish Mako from the United side would indulge us of fishing ventures….

Excargodog 01-14-2023 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3571576)
I wish Mako from the United side would indulge us of fishing ventures….

he does seem to have an interesting graphic library…

Halon1211 01-14-2023 07:04 PM

Just reading you guys bickering, so I decided to look at Spirit’s APC page and they don’t even have our new IAH base showing!

they do seem kinda slow updating our page.

Noisecanceller 01-14-2023 09:31 PM

Who cares. Is this to indulge your own ego?

TransWorld 01-15-2023 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3571549)
It takes the moderators quite a while to review the update and make the change, Einstein.

The Moderators are not the ones that make the updates. They get very frustrated at lack of updates, as well. Their only powers are to moderate the forums.

WHACKMASTER 01-15-2023 06:39 AM

All I know is when I’ve submitted updates in the past, changes were made.

Poppachubby 01-15-2023 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3571560)
You might want to stop embarrassing yourself with your postings.

Well if this isn't a case of “the pot calling the kettle black”! Hilarious!

SpeedBrakes 01-18-2023 02:29 PM

only 10 new hires out of the 28 they wanted showed up to class on Monday.

No body wants to come here with this TA……

sioux8ships 01-18-2023 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3574398)
only 10 new hires out of the 28 they wanted showed up to class on Monday.

No body wants to come here with this TA……

Source?? Many current hires waiting on their legacy class dates.

FlyGuy2002 01-18-2023 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3574398)
only 10 new hires out of the 28 they wanted showed up to class on Monday.

No body wants to come here with this TA……

and yet you work here under this TA. Your post alludes to people being unwilling to work as being smart . What does that make you? Stupid ?

onedolla 01-18-2023 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 3574411)
and yet you work here under this TA. Your post alludes to people being unwilling to work as being smart . What does that make you? Stupid ?

We get it, you like the TA. Give it a rest.

FlyGuy2002 01-18-2023 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3574415)
We get it, you like the TA. Give it a rest.

we like it . She doesn’t . She gives it a rest. And I will too. And by we I mean 70%.

CincoDeMayo 01-18-2023 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 (Post 3574416)
we like it . She doesn’t . She gives it a rest. And I will too. And by we I mean 70%.

I like it. I like money for nothing. Glad 70% of us are fans of free money too.

Tranquility 01-18-2023 03:34 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3574422)
I like it. I like money for nothing. Glad 70% of us are fans of free money too.

It’s not money for nothing…. The union gave up potential leverage if the merger fails. When I saw that in Frontier’s contract, I’m like, why the hell would someone agree to that?! And yet, here we are…. I pray the merger closes, and we can kick Ted and Bendo, and all the like to the curb! If it doesn’t, we’re ****ed on sooooo many levels….

SpeedBrakes 01-18-2023 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3574431)
It’s not money for nothing…. The union gave up potential leverage if the merger fails. When I saw that in Frontier’s contract, I’m like, why the hell would someone agree to that?! And yet, here we are…. I pray the merger closes, and we can kick Ted and Bendo, and all the like to the curb! If it doesn’t, we’re ****ed on sooooo many levels….

Don’t mind Cinco. He’s a “yes vote thumper” and clueless given his comment about not giving up anything. Yet another uninformed voter, seems to be a lot of them here

Given the amount of time he spends on here and his post count on here you would think he would be in the know……

CincoDeMayo 01-18-2023 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3574433)
Don’t mind Cinco. He’s a “yes vote thumper” and clueless given his comment about not giving up anything. Yet another uninformed voter, seems to be a lot of them here

Given the amount of time he spends on here and his post count on here you would think he would be in the know……

You still screaming at the heavens? Nobody is listening my man, nobody.

70% of us are “yes vote” thumpers, in case you forgot.

baseball3792 01-18-2023 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3574438)
You still screaming at the heavens? Nobody is listening my man, nobody.

70% of us are “yes vote” thumpers, in case you forgot.

On the one hand, he’s saying we can’t even fill classes with the new TA. On the other, he’s saying we gave away all leverage with new hires. It makes zero sense to me. I think we took free money when it was offered, with the added bonus of it not being enough to stem attrition or fill classes, maintaining leverage. Only time will tell!

Noisecanceller 01-18-2023 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3574431)
It’s not money for nothing…. The union gave up potential leverage if the merger fails. When I saw that in Frontier’s contract, I’m like, why the hell would someone agree to that?! And yet, here we are…. I pray the merger closes, and we can kick Ted and Bendo, and all the like to the curb! If it doesn’t, we’re ****ed on sooooo many levels….

I 100% agree with you and I voted yes.

I had to think about what the odds are the merger closes. I think it’s high. I had to think about what the odds were that spirit comes back to the table in short order and if they do what their offer would be. I was back and forth on that one. I had to think about what the odds are of the JetBlue TA passing with their legacy snap up language and what the odds are of that language carrying into a JCBA.

After all of that and playing the odds I felt a yes vote was the best choice. If the merger doesn’t close though yes we gave away a ton of leverage and are screwed in more ways than one. Spirit will no go it alone. Frontier will come back for their “second bite of the apple”. In that case I’m out of here.

Excargodog 01-18-2023 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3574528)
I 100% agree with you and I voted yes.

I had to think about what the odds are the merger closes. I think it’s high. I had to think about what the odds were that spirit comes back to the table in short order and if they do what their offer would be. I was back and forth on that one. I had to think about what the odds are of the JetBlue TA passing with their legacy snap up language and what the odds are of that language carrying into a JCBA.

After all of that and playing the odds I felt a yes vote was the best choice. If the merger doesn’t close though yes we gave away a ton of leverage and are screwed in more ways than one. Spirit will no go it alone. Frontier will come back for their “second bite of the apple”. In that case I’m out of here.

If the merger (buy out really) doesn’t happen and we wind up being bought by Frontier we will be DAMN GLAD this passed. It’ll at least keep us going until we can all get out of here.

But like the altitude above you, the runway behind you, the fuel you’ve already burned, etc., debate or rancor is irrelevant because this is now a done deal. Carping at one another no matter which side you were on is pretty fruitless, stupid, and unprofessional. Time to get unified for a JCBA, whoever it is with, and/or work on your apps for someplace you’d rather be. That would at least be a productive use of your time.

Halon1211 01-18-2023 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3574398)
only 10 new hires out of the 28 they wanted showed up to class on Monday.

No body wants to come here with this TA……

lol and to think that some people here thought that this recently past TA would some how make us loose our leverage…

Poppachubby 01-18-2023 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes (Post 3574433)

Given the amount of time he spends on here and his post count on here you would think he would be in the know……

So a persons "in the know" status is based on how much time they spend on APC.............got it!


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