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gripngrab 05-06-2023 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3633241)
don’t think classes were ever limited to 20. Mine a year ago had 27. Also people don’t leave here because of better qol. It’s better pay and better quality of the job. The job is easier with smoother operations else where.

Company planned a flight on a plane with an Mel radar that explicitly stated it’s a no go with storms and the enroute weather had storms. Constantly forgets to add alternates when required. Required maintenance inspections forgotten. Just a few items I’ve had in just a month

sure you can drop your whole schedule, work whenever you want and call out whenever you want. But while you’re working it’s not great.

6 plus years left seat. Yes, I have once had an aircraft with an MELd radar that we couldn't use due to thunderstorms en route. Twice didn't have a alternate when it was required. Never had an aircraft out of maintenance inspection. You've been here a year and get that stuff constantly already huh?

Justabusdriver1 05-06-2023 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3633245)
Haha..sounds like somebody cant get the "call" fast enough.

Sorry to tell you but crap happens at all airlines. Sure, we have a larger amount of "trash" on board, but I do disagree with the rest of your experiences.

I have the suspicion you are showing up to work everyday with a "Im better than this" attitude and you're over exaggerating. I hope you get your call and experience "better quality of the job."

To the newhires: Spirit is a job, not an identity. Show up, dont be a dick, dont take the job personal, get a few laughs in with the guy sitting next to you, and dont let every little bump set you off, punch in/out, go home and enjoy the off time. Guys I see that are the most miserable are the ones who "need" this job to be something it isnt. Plane hot, start the APU. MX issue, write it up and let them fix it. Hotel shuttle late, take an Uber black. Wash, rinse, and repeat. Its not hard

not looking to leave asap. But spirit isn’t some god tier qol oasis and shouldn’t be look at as some miracle career destination. Like you said it’s a job. For the most part it’s ok and for those that really enjoy working as little as possible including earning the bare minimum sure this can be a good home. But it’s no secret that (yes other airlines experience problems) while working the job is made harder by managements incompetence and inability to run an efficient operation. I’m not talking about the maintenance delays or weather delays. I’m talking about arriving on time and having to wait an hour for a gate or poor planning by our own dispatchers. Payroll that charges you for overpaying you when they really didn’t so you have to audit every paycheck yourself to make sure you’re getting paid correctly. Filing multiple grievances a month because the company can’t even follow and obey the contract they agreed to.

flying the plane is easy. Showing up having a good time with the crew and person sitting next to you is easy and it’s the same job and same everywhere else. It’s all the extraneous BS we deal with that makes the job more of a pain.

just pointing out that qol outside work is pretty decent here. But it can also be pretty good at other airlines especially once you get some seniority. But people aren’t leaving here to chase better qol. It’s money and better work quality. If you’re already a commuter and/or live outside florida there’s definitely better qol of life if you live in another airlines base. Spirit really only has real superior qol for those that live in south or central florida.

Justabusdriver1 05-06-2023 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by gripngrab (Post 3633264)
6 plus years left seat. Yes, I have once had an aircraft with an MELd radar that we couldn't use due to thunderstorms en route. Twice didn't have a alternate when it was required. Never had an aircraft out of maintenance inspection. You've been here a year and get that stuff constantly already huh?

inspections required per an Mel. Station had no idea it needed to be done and delayed 30min waiting for maintenance to show up to do it because it was contracted. Not talking about a service check or the old Ron/10day

point was it’s a song and dance and it’s not always the same occurrence. But rather it’s frequently something. Problem with fuel numbers, an Mel, an alternate a maintenance issue that should have been addressed but wasn’t, etc. I’d say every month I run into at some kind of issue at least twice a month where something was very much over looked and fell through the cracks.

beverage 05-06-2023 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3633287)
inspections required per an Mel. Station had no idea it needed to be done and delayed 30min waiting for maintenance to show up to do it because it was contracted. Not talking about a service check or the old Ron/10day

point was it’s a song and dance and it’s not always the same occurrence. But rather it’s frequently something. Problem with fuel numbers, an Mel, an alternate a maintenance issue that should have been addressed but wasn’t, etc. I’d say every month I run into at some kind of issue at least twice a month where something was very much over looked and fell through the cracks.

Welcome to the airline world I guess. These kind of things are not unique to Spirit. I'm not defending other errors in any operation, but this is what you get paid for.

Justabusdriver1 05-06-2023 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by beverage (Post 3633292)
Welcome to the airline world I guess. These kind of things are not unique to Spirit. I'm not defending other errors in any operation, but this is what you get paid for.

Completely get stuff that’s really not within the companies control. I understand it’s part of the job. But there’s so much that can and does happen that should be within the companies control. Getting stuck for 2 hrs on the ramp because ops can’t figure out a gate or rampers isn’t excusable.

and I’m not saying this is a **** company and no one should come here. I understand what my job is and weighed the benefits and costs when I came here. I fully understood that before signing up and happy to be here doing what I do. But I’m not gonna pretend it’s the greatest place to be or the best airline to work for. Time and opportunity.

CincoDeMayo 05-06-2023 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3633300)
Completely get stuff that’s really not within the companies control. I understand it’s part of the job. But there’s so much that can and does happen that should be within the companies control. Getting stuck for 2 hrs on the ramp because ops can’t figure out a gate or rampers isn’t excusable.

and I’m not saying this is a **** company and no one should come here. I understand what my job is and weighed the benefits and costs when I came here. I fully understood that before signing up and happy to be here doing what I do. But I’m not gonna pretend it’s the greatest place to be or the best airline to work for. Time and opportunity.

2 hours on the ramp waiting off a gate? You mean $600 bucks for making a PA every 15 minutes and shooting the breeze for $5 a minute? Glass half full vs empty. I can’t control rampers, and a lot of these rampers are the same 3rd party rampers UAL and DAL uses. But I can’t get ****ed over and over when issues arise, I can control what I can control. And in the meantime, I’ll make my $5/min

Justabusdriver1 05-06-2023 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3633323)
2 hours on the ramp waiting off a gate? You mean $600 bucks for making a PA every 15 minutes and shooting the breeze for $5 a minute? Glass half full vs empty. I can’t control rampers, and a lot of these rampers are the same 3rd party rampers UAL and DAL uses. But I can’t get ****ed over and over when issues arise, I can control what I can control. And in the meantime, I’ll make my $5/min

or $0 if you’re trip rigged and it cuts into your long stay making it a short stay

CincoDeMayo 05-06-2023 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1 (Post 3633331)
or $0 if you’re trip rigged and it cuts into your long stay making it a short stay


Haha. Yeah, those damn soft time that pays us for not flying the hours🙄

Like I said, glass half full or half empty. It’s clear what kind of outlook you have. Long stay to a short stay in MCO? Same hotel but damn, you lose 2 hours at the mall!

beverage 05-06-2023 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3633333)
Haha. Yeah, those damn soft time that pays us for not flying the hours🙄

Like I said, glass half full or half empty. It’s clear what kind of outlook you have. Long stay to a short stay in MCO? Same hotel but damn, you lose 2 hours at the mall!

No hookers and blow in the parking lot of the MCO short stay... maybe a deal breaker /shrug

Excargodog 05-06-2023 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3633323)
2 hours on the ramp waiting off a gate? You mean $600 bucks for making a PA every 15 minutes and shooting the breeze for $5 a minute? Glass half full vs empty. I can’t control rampers, and a lot of these rampers are the same 3rd party rampers UAL and DAL uses. But I can’t get ****ed over and over when issues arise, I can control what I can control. And in the meantime, I’ll make my $5/min

Finally got senior enough to bid for easily commutable schedules and now they are getting bought off for other guys IOEs.

There are people who would actually b|tch about that…


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