Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

You can’t say “100%” and then add the “but.”

Read what he wrote, specifically the “control what you can control” part and you’ll be much happier in this career, whatever airline you end up at.


It’s tiresome because you expect the dog to meow or water to not be wet. Spirit is Spirit. I’ve been here a longer than you and I get the tiresome point, I really do. But I also know my input and ideas on operational efficiency means nothing to anyone who can enact change. So they don’t care, and in turn, I don’t care either. I show up, so the job, don’t get violated, cash the checks and enjoy family time. The miserable guys are the ones who start every sentence with “if those morons only…”

Know your lane, stay in it, control what you can control, remember “it is what it is,” and realize the grass is never greener on the other side. Best advice I have after 20 years in the industry.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller

100% they do assess column A vs column B but they are miscalculating.

I stay in my line just fine and it is what it is. That doesn’t make it less tiresome. And no, not every airline operates with this level of incompetence except maybe frontier. A lot of things at most of the big three and big two cargo just work. Hiccups yes but mostly just work. Here, it’s fubar day in and day out.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Must explain why those same legacy carriers, except DAL, routinely finish below your beloved NK on many operational metrics. But but but...."it's only NK and F9"...get real. I go back to what I said before, you just need to be at a legacy. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller

Got the latest metrics post Covid? I don’t think what you’re saying is true in the last year. Also let’s look at profits. This u can’t get out of its own way to make a dollar and it’s purely operational. There is no other reason we aren’t making money. None

Originally Posted by SSlow

I think our aircraft are still underutilized. Quite a few airplanes are just sitting around in our larger bases it seems.

Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...

Pre-covid that was an anomaly

Originally Posted by SSlow

I think our aircraft are still underutilized. Quite a few airplanes are just sitting around in our larger bases it seems.

Inbound is 3 hours late coming in from LGA? No worries brah, there's a fresh NEO parked a few gates down just sitting there until tomorrow...

Pre-covid that was an anomaly

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller

And this is purely operational. There isn’t a good reason why the aircraft we have cannot be utilized at the optimal level. Every reason for it leads right back to operational incompetence. It creates frustration among employees which creates massive turnover among other things and suboptimal utilization.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller

And this is purely operational. There isn’t a good reason why the aircraft we have cannot be utilized at the optimal level. Every reason for it leads right back to operational incompetence. It creates frustration among employees which creates massive turnover among other things and suboptimal utilization.

Originally Posted by SSlow

Oh I'm not frustrated at all. It's nice having spare airplanes sitting around in case of operational disruption, because all I care about is getting to the hotel/home and cracking a cold one.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

When they keep on on duty senselessly when they could either release us early given the situation or make a change that keeps us on schedule but don’t just to keep us till we officially time out really is frustrating.