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Old 08-22-2017, 07:04 PM   #1  
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5-C Deadhead
5-C-1 Basic Flight Deadheading
When On-Line deadheading on a Basic Flight, a Pilot shall be booked positive space as outlined below.
5-C-1-a If the deadhead leg is three (3) hours or less, the booking shall be in Economy Plus with a priority order of aisle, then window, then middle seat.
5-C-1-b When deadheading to a Flight assignment if i) the deadhead leg is greater than three (3) hours and less than or equal to eight (8) hours, and ii) the deadhead leg is in the same Duty Period as the Flight assignment, the deadhead booking shall be as follows:
5-C-1-b-(1) On a three-class aircraft, the Pilot shall be booked in Business Class. If Business Class is not available at the time of booking, the booking shall be in First Class. If First Class is not available at the time of booking, the booking shall be in Economy Plus with a priority order of aisle, then window, then middle seat.
5-C-1-b-(2) On a two-class aircraft, the Pilot shall be booked in First Class. If First Class is not available at the time of booking, the booking shall be in Economy Plus with a priority order of aisle, then window, then middle seat.
5-C-1-c When deadheading to an Off-Duty Period and the deadhead leg is greater than three (3) hours and less than or equal to eight (8) hours, the booking shall be in Business Class if on a three-class aircraft. If Business Class is not available at the time of booking, or the aircraft is a two-class aircraft, the booking shall be in Economy Plus with a priority order of aisle, then window, then middle seat.
5-C-1-d When deadheading to or from any assignment, if the deadhead leg is greater than eight (8) hours or the total amount of deadheading in the Duty Period is greater than eight (8) hours, the Pilot shall be booked in accordance with the provisions of Section 5-C-2.
5-C-1-e A Pilot whose deadhead is booked under this Section 5-C-1 shall not be required to deadhead in Economy Class if the seat is not an Economy Plus seat except that:
5-C-1-e-(1) If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, then premium Economy Class seating that has extra legroom shall satisfy a requirement to be seated in Economy Plus.
5-C-1-e-(2)If the aircraft is not configured with Economy Plus seating, premium Economy Class seating, Business Class or First Class, the Pilot may be seated in Economy Class even if the seat is not Economy Plus.
5-C-1-f Regardless of the class of service booked, pilots may be upgraded to a higher class of service at the gate after the Company has accommodated all other passenger upgrades.
5-C-1-g If the Company’s business travel policy for pilots allows a Pilot to book in a higher class of service than that required in this Section 5-C-1, then the deadheading Pilot shall be booked in that higher class of service.
5-C-1-h A deadheading Pilot booked in First or Business Class shall not be downgraded to Economy Class to accommodate an upgraded passenger.
5-C-1-i A deadheading Pilot in uniform shall be permitted to board the aircraft as if he were a working crewmember once the minimum number of flight attendants are on board or anytime thereafter, unless prohibited by government regulations. Other deadheading pilots may board at any time during the passenger boarding process. A deadheading Pilot must, prior to boarding, check in and have his boarding pass scanned.
5-C-1-j If a Pilot is required to deadhead in a middle seat in Economy Class (including Economy Plus), he shall receive Add Pay equal to fifty percent (50%) of the scheduled Flight Time of the deadhead leg. A Pilot may not reseat himself to obtain such Add Pay. When submitting a pay claim for such Add Pay, a Pilot must provide supporting documentation, including but not limited to the reservation number, the seat actually occupied, and a description of the event.
5-C-2 Global Flight Deadheading
When On-Line deadheading on a Global Flight, a Pilot shall be booked positive space. Pilots shall be booked in Business Class, if available at the time of booking. If Business Class is unavailable, the booking shall be in First Class, if available at the time of booking. If both Business Class and First Class are unavailable, Business Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot, unless Business Class does not exist on the aircraft, in which case First Class shall be overbooked to accommodate the Pilot. When a Pilot is booked in Business Class, he may be upgraded to First Class at the gate on the day of Departure, but only after all revenue passenger upgrades have been accommodated (e.g., MileagePlus upgrades). When a Pilot is overbooked in Business Class or First Class, he shall be boarded in Business Class or First Class and may not be downgraded to Economy Class (including Economy Plus). In no case shall a Pilot whose deadheading is booked under this Section 5-C-2 be required to deadhead in Economy Class (including Economy Plus).
5-C-3 A deadheading Pilot may only be reseated to accommodate disabled customer seating, as a result of failing to meet check-in requirements, or due to seat map changes. In the event a Pilot is reseated, he shall select a new seat from the remaining available seating. Unless the Pilot agrees otherwise, the new seat must be in the same class of service and have the same standard of seating (e.g., aisle seat) as the old seat.
5-C-4 Off-line Deadheading
5-C-4-a Off-line deadheading of less than three (3) hours may be booked in Economy Class.
5-C-4-b Off-line deadheading on a Basic Flight of three (3) hours or more shall be booked in First Class, if available at the time of booking.
5-C-4-c Off-line deadheading on a Global Flight of three (3) hours or more shall be booked in Business Class, if available. If Business Class is unavailable, First Class shall be booked. If both Business Class and First Class are unavailable, Economy Class may be booked. However, unless he agrees otherwise, a Pilot may not be deadheaded off-line in Economy Class on a Global Flight of three (3) hours or more if the Pilot can be deadheaded, in compliance with this Agreement, on a Company flight or flights.
5-C-4-dUpon request, the parties shall meet to consider information and recommendations which the Association may have regarding the suitability of a foreign carrier for deadheading.
5-C-5 A Pilot may waive any provision in Section 5-C.
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Old 08-22-2017, 07:07 PM   #2  
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Our deadhead language is a joke.

The UAL flight attendants have better language.

$12 Billion reasons this needs updated now.
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Old 08-23-2017, 04:12 AM   #3  
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Wow....that is ridiculous. So much better than Delta. How do we not have any of that stuff in our contract?? Even the little things like it spelling out that a deadheading pilot can board as if he were crew. I don't believe our contract says anything like that, let alone all the language for seating.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:06 AM   #4  
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Exactly!

We are no longer bankrupt.

$12 Billion in stock buy backs.

This is just common courtesy and respect. We need this language now.
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Old 08-23-2017, 05:57 AM   #5  
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Exactly!

We are no longer bankrupt.

$12 Billion in stock buy backs.

This is just common courtesy and respect. We need this language now.
Deadheads won't apply once we have all 72 virtual bases open.
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Old 08-23-2017, 06:01 AM   #6  
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Someone once asked where would a business traveler, that makes between 150-400k a year, that works for a Fortune 500 company traveling for work be seated?
Probably not in a middle seat back in basic economy.
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So what's the deal...how come this wasn't addressed in the last contract? Is it because the polling didn't support it as being important? Is there a large percentage of pilots who don't think this is a big deal? Because everyone on here and that I talk to seem to be peeved about it.
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So what's the deal...how come this wasn't addressed in the last contract? Is it because the polling didn't support it as being important? Is there a large percentage of pilots who don't think this is a big deal? Because everyone on here and that I talk to seem to be peeved about it.
How about we are not in bankruptcy?

How about a little common sense?

How about $12 Billion in cash wasted on stock buy backs?

We scratched the surface in the last contract. Now we need to finish the job.

Don't want to make you cry, but our WalMart medical is going to be fixed as well.
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We are behind in some other areas as well. Still lagging in vacation and a meal on a 5:29 minute block flight would be nice.

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Old 08-23-2017, 11:30 AM   #10  
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Our deadhead language is a joke.

The UAL flight attendants have better language.

$12 Billion reasons this needs updated now.
And there is the rub, United FA's have their own union where our FA's do not. So like it or not when we negotiate the company factors in whether they are going to have to give it to another employee group or not.

We could most definitely get the UAL deadhead language but it comes down to how much do you want to give for it. Remember nothing is free.

It's just my personal opinion, but I believe that if we negotiate a benefit and the company turns around and gives that benefit to another employee group then that costing should not go against our ledger because they have now marginalized the benefit.
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