Sure. You guys fought for it, how? Honest question. Did you vote down the first TA? Did you strike? Your NC did a great job obtaining a provision based on the CEO stating he believes pilot pay will need to normalize. You guys voted in the first TA, like we did, and still fell short of Legacy pay while some chastise Spirit for falling short as well.

And if you think every airline CEO is the same when it comes to pay, not even close. I can guarantee you a Barry Biffle/Bill Franke is not equal to an Ed Bastain or a Scott Kirby when how they view their pilot labor. But he glad, you have a CEO is is more in line with the latter group and not the former; I’m glad to have him as the CEO after Ted goes.

Both sides have a ways to go in the JCBA.
Cant wait until we are a big happy family and I’m enjoying that free WiFi and delicious meals.

 

Does a cook at Outback or McDonalds make as much as a cook at Ruth's Chris?

 

>Temporary Contract Extension includes the agregate of the Legacy pay

> Cinco "UM ACKSHUALLY IF YOU DIDN'T STRIKE FOR THOSE RATES OR PERSONALLY NEGOTIATE THEM YOURSELF THEY DONT COUNT"

In that case is American not a legacy? They just put their rates at where UA and DLs were. I am definitely grateful to AA UL DL and AL for going first and setting expectations and doing a lot of the heavy lifting to make it easier for us, but c'mon lets not act like the journey to the rates is more important than the destination.

 

This is a tired and outdated analogy. McDonald’s is an entry level job, being a chef at a high end steak house isn’t. Like it or not, legacy jobs are as easy to obtain now as a ULCC and perhaps easier than a regional job. So the analogy is tired.

Use that lump 3’ above your behind and instead, make an argument of revenue streams and how legacy airlines currently have many revenue streams at their disposal which helps their business. Legacy airlines are now banks that fly airplanes

 

Strawman, is that you? It’s the choice of the word “fought for” which I found interesting. But hey, that’s fine. I knew a lot of guys in the military who “fought” in the war, while scanning CAC cards in the DFAC for one rotation.

Does not change the fact one bit that when you have a CEO who publicly acknowledges pilot pay needs to come up at their airline, it will help the pathways to secure items like market rate adjustments and profit sharing. When you have a management group who states the opposite, it’s a much tougher road.

Strawman it all you want, it’s not the complicated to understand.

Football kicking off, see you ladies later. 🫡

 

Of all the things that didn't happen, this one didn't happen the most.

 

Exactly…….biggest troll thread ever.

 

This is probably the worst rationalization of a flawed perspective that I have ever read. Bus pilots are bus pilots. Pay scales should be comparable across the board. If the ULCC can’t afford to pay-to-play, their business model is flawed.

 

Your union definitely has more teeth than ours does, no question about that, but the B6 CEO is also more willing to play ball than our management team.

NK pilots badly need to get divorced from the current management in order to move on. There is way too much infedility and bad blood from the not so distant past that it really isn't a reconciable relationship IMO.

You wouldn't know much about that if you haven't been working here for the last several years.

 

Legacy jobs being "easy" to get is a new and temporary thing. If you want to go to a legacy, then go. If you want to be a discount pilot at a discount airline, then stay where you are.

Discount airlines ARE an entry level job for pilots that can't get hired at a legacy. Period.