Does working at a ULCC mean you deserve less?
12-31-2023, 11:52 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
Legacy jobs being "easy" to get is a new and temporary thing. If you want to go to a legacy, then go. If you want to be a discount pilot at a discount airline, then stay where you are.
Discount airlines ARE an entry level job for pilots that can't get hired at a legacy. Period.
Discount airlines ARE an entry level job for pilots that can't get hired at a legacy. Period.
We have hundreds of legacy furloughs, that have seen both models, and elected not to return after the recalls. Our (JB) pay and benefits has, at times, exceeded legacy pay. This industry is ALWAYS changing and shifting. No airline has EVER been at the top and stayed there. Good luck with your giant ego, I have no doubt you wear your hat while at the controls, even if your legacy doesn't have a hat.
And whether you are trying to criticize NK or JB, it is highly likely the two will be coming together in the coming months, and achieving a JCBA that meets or EXCEEDS the big four.
So this is either the worst attempt at trolling I've seen in memory or you are as stupid as you are arrogant.
Last edited by Bluedriver; 12-31-2023 at 12:03 PM.
12-31-2023, 12:32 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght
Of all the things that didn't happen, this one didn't happen the most.
Maybe it’s more cope than justification. It’s the response I have heard multiple times.
I can’t say I’m surprised that I am getting pushback for telling pilots they should be paid as much as their peers.
12-31-2023, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MstrAv8r
This is probably the worst rationalization of a flawed perspective that I have ever read. Bus pilots are bus pilots. Pay scales should be comparable across the board. If the ULCC can’t afford to pay-to-play, their business model is flawed.
12-31-2023, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
Hate to say it, but if you want Legacy Airline pay, then go work at a Legacy Airline.
Spirit is a low cost airline, and the pilots are paid accordignly. It is like a guy flying a BE1900 at Ameriflight expecting to make UPS 747 Captain pay. The single pilot BE1900 is probably a little more demanding and works more hours, but the UPS 747 Captain makes 6x the money (or more).
Different jobs, different pay.
Go to a Legacy Airline if you want Legacy Airline pay.
Spirit is a low cost airline, and the pilots are paid accordignly. It is like a guy flying a BE1900 at Ameriflight expecting to make UPS 747 Captain pay. The single pilot BE1900 is probably a little more demanding and works more hours, but the UPS 747 Captain makes 6x the money (or more).
Different jobs, different pay.
Go to a Legacy Airline if you want Legacy Airline pay.
12-31-2023, 04:58 PM
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Blastin over WATRS, looking at nothing but open ocean and the stars, 235 SOBs, I remember thinking to myself I should make less than the people moving less people in the same plane on the exact same route because our seats are thin and a couple of the passengers have face tattoos.
12-31-2023, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021
Legacy jobs being "easy" to get is a new and temporary thing. If you want to go to a legacy, then go. If you want to be a discount pilot at a discount airline, then stay where you are.
Discount airlines ARE an entry level job for pilots that can't get hired at a legacy. Period.
Discount airlines ARE an entry level job for pilots that can't get hired at a legacy. Period.
01-02-2024, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MstrAv8r
This is probably the worst rationalization of a flawed perspective that I have ever read. Bus pilots are bus pilots. Pay scales should be comparable across the board. If the ULCC can’t afford to pay-to-play, their business model is flawed.
01-02-2024, 05:27 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by Andy
The ULCC business model is flawed; the legacies have countered ULCCs by matching their fares with Basic Economy. And the legacies skim off the ULCC's (profitable) top fare buckets so that ULCCs aren't able to be much more than marginally profitable. The legacies will let ULCCs run their $29 loss leader sales all day long, but start matching ULCC fares as soon as the fare gets close to $100.
01-02-2024, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
We have hundreds of legacy furloughs, that have seen both models, and elected not to return after the recalls. Our (JB) pay and benefits has, at times, exceeded legacy pay. This industry is ALWAYS changing and shifting. No airline has EVER been at the top and stayed there.
Fact is, those times are the exception and not the norm. Your post raised another point. NK and B6 have guys furloughed from legacy carriers. They didn’t just get up and decide to leave.
No doubt, they’ve done very well for themselves, but the fact is that almost all the movement is from LCC to a legacy.
Should LCC guys get paid legacy rates? Absolutely. But it’s going to take time, and in that time, some opt to just go to a legacy and get the money now. All things being equal, they’ll come out ahead. They’re not any better just because their airline has been around longer.
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