Those numbers can't happen that quickly hence the reason the company is laying the groundwork right now for more disappointment. I agree though they need 500-700 but I doubt Joanna will give the green light for Ted to furlough. I also doubt SPA agrees to a BS deal like the flight attendants received with no compensation attached. Popcorn ready

I agree. My guess is 300-400. Notices go out by end of Q1. Busy travel season ahead but with this many planes grounded (and increasing) they more than likely are over staffed. It’s unfortunate but the cost savings will push them to do it.

Why? The engines will be all fixed up by 2025 so then we will need to hire and train, 1,000 pilots? Don’t make math sense to me to furlough even 1 pilot.

With 100 hours of ioe that’s 100,000 hours of ioe, we would all be displaced the entire year of 2025.

2025? What are you talking about ? This engine issue will continue much longer then 2025

still taking deliveries, with a net gain end of 2024

wrong teddy and co stated we would be the same size

No they didn't. They said we would have the same capacity. Bigger planes with higher utilization gets us there.

Still projected to have 40 planes parked by then end of '24 with an average of 20 down for the year.
20 new 321Neo's and 7 new 320Neo's expected by the end of the year. Losing 17 319's in that time frame too.

We gain 2456 seats with the addition of the 320 and 321's minus the 319's.

The average of 320's that we will lose (20 average over the year) is 3640. We have to make up 1184 seats in effeciency/utilization to stay flat over the course of the year. I dont know how many we averaged down in '23 though that would take away from it as well. I wanna say 12 are on the ground now?

The 321's will have to stay busy to make it up. Should mean a higher 321 pay for us.

Based on the delivery schedule and retirements it looks like we gain seats the first 3 quarters and lose some in Q4 before the groundings are factored in.

https://ir.spirit.com/resources/fleet-plan/default.aspx

​​​​​​Looks like you guys might be right. Ted and bendo briefing the MEC followed by "strategic planning" doesn't sound great to me. I don't pay a ton of attention to these announcements though so maybe it's fairly standard. Maybe it's just to tell the MEC to pound sand regarding opening negotiations.

Any theories, if it is a reduction, on why if we are supposedly going to be net neutral with staffing after the deliveries this year?

Who knows. But if spirit survives 2024, which they will, then when 2025 hits and we have all of our planes back and running...lets just say if they furloughed, X and Y list calls will be through the roof. Doesn't seem to make sense to furlough. Definitelty see VILs as a possibility though.

I was kind of thinking the MEC Strategic planning meeting with Ted in Bendo was going be about 787 pay rates.


and then discussing distance learning pay for going over NAT and NOPAC routes.

I mean, you never know there could be something big in the works…TC did have some exciting news in case we are a standalone company in The Townhall..