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It's not looking good

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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3775021)

Any good rumor has to have some plausibility and that certainly does.

i have stopped believing anything that is rumor, there were also rumors that seemed quite plausible during the merge trial. Rumors about expedited process and the judge being pro merge and they all seemed plausible but obviously they were not. People say “where there’s smoke there’s fire, and a good rumor is like smoke So there has to be a fire”. Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3775027)

VILs are for somewhat temporary staffing issues. They only happened during Covid bc SWA lead the charge and everyone followed suit. Things happened so fast managements had to make a choice with the unknown.

Our issue is longer term. The planes parked peak at the end of the year but it’s not over. This is a multi year problem. Further and more importantly, Spirit doesn’t make money and the leadership has no vision to figure out how to make money other than wait for the ULCC market to improve which may never happen. So, they go to the only thing they know which is cut headcount. Our CBA has language for furloughs so they can and will do it if they need to.

The CBA does not allow them to cut pay or work rules so after they scare everyone with furloughs and apply cuts to the non union groups they will start their propaganda machine to pit everyone against us. If only the rich pilots would cut their pay the company will be saved. This will sew discord among the rank and file. Yet, they know that there never has been a time in history where pilot paycuts ever kept a company out of bankruptcy or saved any airline that was destined for it or to fail all together. Won’t change a thing. Never mind that when an airline shrinks we will all see substantial W2 earnings decreases anyway even without cuts. They won’t mention that part.

History tells the story and this management doesn’t have any new chapters to write so they will just do what they’ve seen and done before. This is familiar territory for them. They should give all the furloughs the “it’s not you, it’s me” speech.

the number of airplanes that will be down is still a moving number. Not all of the airplanes require Fixes once they have been inspected. We are also taking delivery of many new airplanes as well. We as a group Lisbeth panicked this way out of proportion. I just took a peak at the southwest board, an airline that is financially amazing, and they are starting talk furlough because of max 7 issues. We take one little set back and turn it into the end of the world.
i do not believe we are at the end of the world, i also do not believe that we dee furloughs.

"To the Spirit employees, this layoff is for you!"

-Judge Geriatric-Dip**** Young

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Originally Posted by Aeroengie (Post 3775006)

This was from a reputable source who said those numbers came from a company meeting, well aware that it may (and hopefully is) nonsense however wanted to get the weather gauge on if this was isolated info or if anyone else encountered it in the wild

There were numbers set by the company, but the company can’t furlough under the merger agreement. They’re going to handle it in other ways.

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Originally Posted by 69fastback (Post 3775468)

There were numbers set by the company, but the company can’t furlough under the merger agreement. They’re going to handle it in other ways.

Numbers set by the company as far as how many pilots they would need to furlough? And what other ways would they handle it?

I actually thought attrition would likely handle the temporary excess without requiring furloughs as the senior FOs and junior CAs jumped ship, but the failure of Boeing to get the MAX 7 & 10 certified has certainly slowed hiring at SWA and Delta, and if UA doesn't cut the rumored deal with Airbus, they may soon cut back hiring as well,so attrition may taper off for awhile - which is perhaps very unfortunate for the junior FOs and the junior CAs that may be most affected. Those FOs who do have 1000 hr of 121 time (most of them) might be able to ride out a downturn as a regional DEC - no shortage of openings there - which would help them through a furlough economically but it'd be a real QOL hit.

How about the rumor (via email from the union) that we're going to lose Long Beach and are looking at Downtown LA?

I wrote the hotel committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we stay out of the tent cities and refugee camps of downtown LA and remain somewhere with actual outdoor activities?

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Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 3775511)

I wrote the uniform committee. Anyone else want to write and suggest we change uniforms to match our current branding. (Red Stapler confiscated).

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Originally Posted by Ed Force One (Post 3775511)

Downtown LA, really? I thought the 45 minute drive to Long Beach with the aspiring nascar drivers was bad. I vote for just staying at the short stay regardless of length. You dont need to be a tourist at every overnight.

I think DTLA was temporary and experimental. Email today says new long LAX is back in Long Beach at a different hotel. The long LAX has always been one of my favs. I always really enjoy it.