Interesting because an arbitrator ruled in 2018ish that f9 peers were all domestic narrow body operators at that time when we won an arbitration. There was a loa, signed with republic for pay rates to snap up to that average when certain profitability metrics were met and of course indigo didn’t do that.
Point is different folks in the nmb can have different opinions. I’m interested in where you got that information? That that’s thier opinion? Is that you B Frankie?

https://www.wsj.com/business/airline...googlenewsfeed

Sounds like it’s getting close for F9/NK

If Trump wins, it's coming in 2025 :)

Acording to my google searches a bankrupcy judge CAN increase pay.

God I hope not.

as much as I hate our current Administration. I don’t think it will matter who is in office. It will for sure be approved. Plus now we can definitely claim “failing firm” defense.

The only thing we need to know now this time is how much of it turd the shareholders are going to get. (Less than the first time around.)

Ah yes. More of the same lol.

Same. I’d rather roll the dice with chapter 11.

why???


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https://www.wsj.com/business/airline...talks-a7ee5912

"Frontier Airlines is exploring a renewed bid for Spirit Airlines, people familiar with the matter said, as Spirit continues discussions with bondholders over the terms of a potential bankruptcy filing.The two budget airlines have had recent discussions about a possible merger, though the people said the talks are at an early stage and that a deal may not come to fruition.If a deal between the two carriers is reached, it would likely happen as part of Spirit restructuring its debt and other liabilities in bankruptcy, the people said..."

I suspect the activist dogs were called off due to optics in the election runup.

If Trump wins, they'll be unemployed in Jan.

If Harris wins, no idea if she'll keep the Biden people or let them off their leash again. Personally I tend to think not, that she'd be more business reasonable, but in reality we simply have no freaking idea what she'll do.

Considering you constantly misspell the word “bankruptcy,” I trust your knowledge on this as much as I would a parrot knocking over a bowl of rocks on a keyboard and trusting the outcome.

You are grossly incorrect, we will not get a raise in bankruptcy.

Moving on…

business and friendship don’t mix. That guy needs to be recalled

Good with Frontier planning to save Spirit this bankruptcy, shouldn’t take to long

Let’s see if all those spirit pilots bragging that they’ll leave if we merge will follow thru

Could be nothing as either way spirit is going to file chapter 11 and shareholder will likely be wiped out. Frontier(indigo) will provide the dip financing and merge the two carriers after emerging from chapter 11.

Yeah I can't think of many good reasons that Indigo would want to take it on without BK.

While BK can be risky with the new rules, if you go in with a merger plan and stakeholder buy-in it should go pretty smooth and quick.

Probably no raise but probably no cuts either since you're already below industry average. The company would have to show that deeper-than-average cuts are vital to the new business model, basically make the case that you're not even in the same industry as the other airlines.

Especially if they go into court with an acquisition/merger plan with a solvent airline entity (F9).

My guess is status quo in court and the you'll have another bite at the apple with JCBA.

I didn't know this would trigger you so much, my appologies. You may continue on with your mass histaria and missinformation.

If we file chapter 11, Frontier will lose almost 2 billion worth of Spirit Net Operating Losses. These loses can be carried fwd for 20 years by the acquiring company. No way Spirit files 11. Come on my boy.

You also misspelled "hysteria."

They’ll lose the 2 billion worth of NOLs! Ever think of that reason!

They don’t like the model…that they are already in?

Frontier Cons

paid less
day trips

Frontier pros

theyre not in bankruptcy
pilots don’t look like slobs

Spirit pros

Drop to zero

Spirit cons

They’re broke
image is broke

High credit day trips go most senior so that’s highly subjective

Pay is being negotiated and will not remain the same. We are asking for legacy rates and snap up clauses. Obviously not a guarantee in anyway.

Thank you for letting me know. That could have been disastrous!

Snap up is #1 regardless if its a stand alone CBA or JCBA. No more "next time". Snap up is now industry standard.

I get it that spirits is broke, but every time I talk to somebody whose flown frontier they have nothing good to say. I would say both of our images are broke.

Based on his username alone I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously.

WSJ - Back at it F9NK
 

This is true. Sorry F9 boys but your reputation isn’t crapping gold over there either . Spirit was first so the name is synonymous with trash passengers, but let’s not act for a second that Frontier is Delta One over there.

Not a pi$$ing contest but both our pax have no legroom, but at least one has WiFi, and snowless boarding and deplaning.

Both products are outdated and it needs to go away.

Seems like some are focused on administration change to make an acquisition happen. I'm not sure administration had anything to do with the rejection of Spirit and JBLU. I think the case presented was terribly flawed.

Not sure of your point using a Wiki reference. If that is your evidence, please explain Alaska/Hawaiian.

Now im on the fence. Figured Id come over and read to make my final decision.

Can you explain the AK/HA deal then?

guys guys guys. Let's all just agree that both airlines suck but maybe we can suck together and squeeze out a few bucks lol

Yup. And that merger was the sacrificial lamb for his administration to run with. I honestly don’t think the DOJ believed they would win, presenting the most narrow view of the Clayton act…but they met the right judge

Neeleman seems to have a much better apprasial of the current domestic market than anyone else. His belief is that we'd see something between F9 and NK rates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/trave...thwest-spirit/

I think that was intentional my friend given the "missinformation" spelling..

let me correct that - the schedule. The schedule model. That’s all I can speak of