LFG F9Nk
 

https://simpleflying.com/breeze-airw...-merger-retry/


Is this gonna happen or what? why or why not?

please no….fearit is dollar general mixed with big lots

yes this will happen! After the election! Debt deadline pushed back till December? Too perfect.

now some senior captains and FO’s that are invested here must ask yourself, are you willing to stay and check it out or bounced to a legacy?

I’ve talked to a bunch that said they would bail with a frontier merger because they doing like the model. I for one, would be very happy. See yall in San Juan!

what’s happening in San Juan?

from my understanding this is highly likely post election.

Bring on frontiers Contact and day turns

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWJDP_g2xzo

It’s tough to say if the Breeze Airways merger will happen. It depends on factors like market conditions, regulatory approval, and the airlines' goals. There’s a chance, but it's not guaranteed.

Wow, that’s an original thought and insight.

Any NK pilot not wanting a F9 merger is like having your house on fire and requesting only firefighters born in the month of March and over 6’4 to help put the fire out. The house is on fire

but who’s saying anything about a merge with breeze?

it’s on the gate agent forums.

ahhh because. So far nothing in this post has indicated breeze. Which is why I asked the other person who mentioned it.

no, but seriously, it’s gonna be Frontier or Southwest

Don’t sleep on United, my buddy said an FA he was flying with spoke to their friend who happened to see SK dressed as a fruit in a video and because lemons are fruits and yellow they’re going to buy us.

UAL/NK merger confirmed.

No. It won't.

oh okay.


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Apologizes Halon, I intented to write more.

I believe it will be Frontier or liquidation and not F9 or Southwest. WN is in a fight for their lives with Elliott, have just lost 4 board members, and will soon have a new CEO. They are planning to sell airframes and aren't able to fill the Max 8's that they had to take from Boeing instead of the 7's that they ordered. The have enought hub to hub capacity and need smaller airframes which is the opposite of what our fleet mix currently is.

Frankie. Frontier. Pay cuts. And day turns are NK's future.

Well as a Frontier guy, I hope you swim or sink on your own. A merger at this point brings nothing but uncertainty and possible stagnation into the picture.

The prospect of working for Frankie again and having our rates cut down to F9 levels is a reason that so many NK Captains are awaiting class dates elsewhere.

Another F9 guy here, I've been curious about your pay rates...when the B6 merger was looming did they memorialize those gains into an LOA (without expiration) until a JCBA could be reached? Or was it just a bone they threw you to tide things over through the merger process? If we merge and it's not contractual I'm sure they're going away in the near-term but we will all have to negotiate the next CBA so I don't see any pay cuts as permanent. If it's part of your CBA the rates won't change until we negotiate a JCBA. They day turns on the other hand...

Also, I love the proposed F9NK nickname of this thread of "LFG", which I can only assume means "Low Fares Giant" lol

NK is still operating as normal, but APS Is already in contract negotiations.

They are contractual and part of our current CBA, which is currently amendable, as is yours.

Why would our rates get "cut down"? If we merge we would have to negotiate a new CBA and both carriers are already vastly underpaid compared to our peers.

Because your negotiating leverage isn't very strong.

Because management's argument would be that your "peers" are Sunny, Allegiant, and Breeze. And since the court has already ruled that NK is in a different category than B6, you'd be averaging between an NK losing money and F9 at their current rates.

Not the case at all. Ask a rep what would happen to our pay if we were given a bankrupcy contract. (hint, it will actually go up). Our "peers" are other airbus drivers. Not the company's business model.

True but we are talking about a JCBA not the current state of the airline. Since Spirit isn't making money do they get a discount on fuel?

Hands down the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

Not really, the people who spew nonsense that Miatas are sports cars.... THAT'S the dumbest thing...

Not my quote. Go ask a union rep keyboard warrior.

The same ones who said you’d get another bite at the apple?

Oooof I felt that one.

IDK why yall are getting mad at me I was just reporting directly what I was told from a rep. Unless you are mad about what he said and would prefer less pay under a bankrupcy contract and or JCBA?

You either misunderstood the rep, or he too feasted on paint chips as a child like yourself.

A bankruptcy contract will not yield higher rates for Spirit pilots. Many of us have been through a bankruptcy (or two) and know what happens in those situations.

But sure, be the angry man, you have it figured out. Good luck.

Nope, he's a good friend of mine. We've talked about it a lot. Bankrupcy contract has been disscused in depth at meetings. What previous alpa contracts have been slashed in bankrupcy court when said airline was already making 20% less than their peers? (And no our peers are not Allegiant, Breeze, Avelo). Bankrupcy court ordered union contracts are not based on a company's business model.

Soooo the bankruptcy arbitrator is going to say, “Whelp! You guys are making significantly less than your peers and your airline STILL can’t make money. Maybe *increasing* company payroll and financial obligations will help to clear its debt. Here’s a raise!”?

Serious question, what keeps Allegiant from being your peer? Isn't their business model nearly the same except profitable?

Haha. Like I said, dude eats paint chips. Worse is he believes this is accurate

Best case scenario is an 1113 motion is filed by the company and the judge rejects it because the company did not show:

“ the authorized representative of the employees has refused to accept such proposal without good cause”

Spirit will say we make more than Frontier, Breeze, Avelo Allegiant and other lower paid airlines, so the 1113 motion should be approved

NK ALPA will say we make less than AA, DAL, UAL, HA, JBLU and Alaska, so the motion should be denied

Judge will decide. But there is NOTHING in code 1113 that allows a judge to increase pay. Besides the insanity of the notion, it isn’t the law. It’s either reject the CBA, or reject the motion.

Nothing prevents this, because it has been the opinion of the NMB in the past that Allegiant, Frontier, and Spirit should be peers as far as pilot compensation is concerned.

I believe it would be a bit more accurate to say reject the parts of the cba the company has proposed to modify.
That’s usually pay rates, retirements and sick. It’s tougher to get a judge to reject most work rules as they generally don’t understand how most work. which is why thier so valuable.