Originally Posted by YAKflyer (Post 3852922)

I am mostly impressed with your posts and I appreciate your compassion in this one, however not all trips to Ch 11 end well:

Braniff

Eastern

Pan Am

TWA (well almost)

Perhaps planning for the worst and hoping for the best is more prudent???


And I agree...best of luck to all at NK

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3852978)

settle down. Is it really that surprising that folks with a vested, multi-decade interest in this career might be rooting against a company that attempts to drive down prices? Let's be honest. If Spirit does shrink, it will result in higher fares and presumably higher profits for the remaining industry participants (almost all of whom have previously experienced a bankrupcy and the associated shrinkage/disruption themselves).

And let's be honest, if that merger had gone through, you'd be doing everything you could to grasp every last ounce of seniority from another pilot group no matter what it took. So stop taking it personally.

Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 3853096)

If you make anymore dude you’re going to be replaced by single pilot ops or robots before you know it.

Originally Posted by bluespoon (Post 3853096)

If you make anymore dude you’re going to be replaced by single pilot ops or robots before you know it.

Originally Posted by YAKflyer (Post 3852922)

I am mostly impressed with your posts and I appreciate your compassion in this one, however not all trips to Ch 11 end well:

Braniff

Eastern

Pan Am

TWA (well almost)

Perhaps planning for the worst and hoping for the best is more prudent???


And I agree...best of luck to all at NK

Originally Posted by Margaritaville (Post 3853116)

Yes and no. All of those airlines were dinosaurs that struggled to adapt to deregulation. And they were also gone before bankruptcy rules were reformed. It's a lot harder to just shut it down and liquidate now under the new rules.

Not every legacy pilot is a prick that's rooting against you guys. I'm certainly not.

Hang in there.

Originally Posted by Midsomer (Post 3853145)

Dinosaurs? Eastern was the largest carrier for years and didn’t struggle with deregulation. They struggled with horrible management and Francisco Lorenzo. Maybe buy a book and read Grounded: The story of Eastern Airlines and see that CAL and Lorenzo destroyed EAL. Lorenzo raped EAL of assets that he transferred to the scab operation at CAL.


While I hope it doesn’t happen, avoiding Ch 7 is not a given at spirit.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3852978)

settle down. Is it really that surprising that folks with a vested, multi-decade interest in this career might be rooting against a company that attempts to drive down prices? Let's be honest. If Spirit does shrink, it will result in higher fares and presumably higher profits for the remaining industry participants (almost all of whom have previously experienced a bankrupcy and the associated shrinkage/disruption themselves).

And let's be honest, if that merger had gone through, you'd be doing everything you could to grasp every last ounce of seniority from another pilot group no matter what it took. So stop taking it personally.

Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3852734)

If I'm a Spirit pilot, I'm calling my incoming senators and representatives and telling them to oppose age 67. The geezers will have no problem blocking you from getting hired elsewhere while they stay at the highest seniority they will ever hold.

Originally Posted by Famos_Amos (Post 3853222)

What if you're a 57 year-old Spirit pilot that could spend the next year or longer burning through savings trying to land another job in the only profession you know? Couldn't a couple extra years on the back end help with that?