This. Plus the fact that Ch.11 is not a carte blanche for management to go scorched earth on labor. Legally the court is supposed to adjust CBA's only as necessary, to match the competitive environment. The CBA is already on the lower end of the major airline spectrum, unless management can make the case that their business niche is something else.

I think managers got burned with operational and strategic disruptions cause by attrition and recruiting challenges, especially the loss of experienced PIC's and instructors who are not easily replaced. While hiring has slowed, the pilots they really need to retain are also the most attractive to UAL, which recently learned it's own hard lessons about pilot experience. They'll probably remember that for a while.

Yes. It can happen during Ch.11, or they might have had it arranged before filing Ch.11. If everyone agrees and their ducks are lined up the judge can quickly rubber stamp the whole thing.

A monkey wrench (sorry Chimpy) might be if not all creditors agree on their cut, then the court wil have to do some court stuff.

While I personally am absolutely not working a day beyond 65, my extra five years were in the right seat of an RJ. Back when it didn't pay $150K. I'm not the only one. Just sayin.

You can only hire so many CFI’s, low time FOs, before you have to start hiring street captains. It’s slowed down yes, it’s still far easier than it’s ever been otherwise you would have been at Ual for 10 years now instead of less than a year.

So were mine, I was at $33.50/hr

At the current rates, you’ve made more than enough to compensate your “loss”. We all have. None of us ever dreamed we’d be making 4-600k a year this easy.

But like most millennials you still whine, like somebody owes you something. The amount we all have is insane and an incredible blessing.

There, I said it.

edit: Honestly look around the world and tell me how tough we have it. This is not about thinking we should be working for free, far from it.

UAL is hiring sub 1,000 this year. Delta, around 1,000, AA? United hired north of 2,000 for the last 2.5 years, the forecast is much lower due to Boeing. NK has a few hundred on the street, The Regionals are no longer short staffed. I absolutely do not think Old Lyin Ted is concerned with Attrition. That is my only point. I dont think Pilot retention is something they currently care about.

This year, that was an aircraft problem. Regionals are still offering bonuses. I agree with you about Ted.

I work for American. I was just showing support and discussing.

Same here. How is another two years going to fix that?