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11-19-2024 | 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB

There will be no changes to your contract because the market for pilots is still strong and hiring will be going gangbusters again in 2025. A hobbled carrier with an uncertain future would only hasten it’s demise if tried to get cheap with labor that has options.

This. Plus the fact that Ch.11 is not a carte blanche for management to go scorched earth on labor. Legally the court is supposed to adjust CBA's only as necessary, to match the competitive environment. The CBA is already on the lower end of the major airline spectrum, unless management can make the case that their business niche is something else.

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

I don’t think this is accurate at all. There will always be some CFI somewhere who will take the Job. Attrition will always be a thing. The COVID hiring spree is over.

I think managers got burned with operational and strategic disruptions cause by attrition and recruiting challenges, especially the loss of experienced PIC's and instructors who are not easily replaced. While hiring has slowed, the pilots they really need to retain are also the most attractive to UAL, which recently learned it's own hard lessons about pilot experience. They'll probably remember that for a while.

11-19-2024 | 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

They technically don't even have to get through ch11 if a temping buyout comes along they can sell during bankruptcy court no?

Yes. It can happen during Ch.11, or they might have had it arranged before filing Ch.11. If everyone agrees and their ducks are lined up the judge can quickly rubber stamp the whole thing.

A monkey wrench (sorry Chimpy) might be if not all creditors agree on their cut, then the court wil have to do some court stuff.

11-19-2024 | 07:06 AM

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they got their extra few years. Remember the “lost decade” (age 65) yeah, they have 5 extra years now, they don’t need another 2. Sorry. I said what I said.

While I personally am absolutely not working a day beyond 65, my extra five years were in the right seat of an RJ. Back when it didn't pay $150K. I'm not the only one. Just sayin.

11-19-2024 | 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

I don’t think this is accurate at all. There will always be some CFI somewhere who will take the Job. Attrition will always be a thing. The COVID hiring spree is over.

You can only hire so many CFI’s, low time FOs, before you have to start hiring street captains. It’s slowed down yes, it’s still far easier than it’s ever been otherwise you would have been at Ual for 10 years now instead of less than a year.

11-19-2024 | 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

While I personally am absolutely not working a day beyond 65, my extra five years were in the right seat of an RJ. Back when it didn't pay $150K. I'm not the only one. Just sayin.

So were mine, I was at $33.50/hr

11-19-2024 | 07:25 AM

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While I personally am absolutely not working a day beyond 65, my extra five years were in the right seat of an RJ. Back when it didn't pay $150K. I'm not the only one. Just sayin.

At the current rates, you’ve made more than enough to compensate your “loss”. We all have. None of us ever dreamed we’d be making 4-600k a year this easy.

But like most millennials you still whine, like somebody owes you something. The amount we all have is insane and an incredible blessing.

There, I said it.

edit: Honestly look around the world and tell me how tough we have it. This is not about thinking we should be working for free, far from it.

11-19-2024 | 07:27 AM

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UAL is hiring sub 1,000 this year. Delta, around 1,000, AA? United hired north of 2,000 for the last 2.5 years, the forecast is much lower due to Boeing. NK has a few hundred on the street, The Regionals are no longer short staffed. I absolutely do not think Old Lyin Ted is concerned with Attrition. That is my only point. I dont think Pilot retention is something they currently care about.

11-19-2024 | 07:29 AM

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UAL is hiring sub 1,000 this year. Delta, around 1,000, AA? United hired north of 2,000 for the last 2.5 years. NK has a few hundred on the street, The Regionals are no longer short staffed. I absolutely do not think Old Lyin Ted is concerned with Attrition. That is my only point. I dont think Pilot retention is something they currently care about.

This year, that was an aircraft problem. Regionals are still offering bonuses. I agree with you about Ted.

11-19-2024 | 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LWW1962

I watched this happen at Braniff, Eastern, Pan Am, Midway, and ATA. If you are somewhat Junior, take anything you can get. Cargo carriers are not as adversely effected as the passenger carriers. I wish you all the very best your ALPA brother, L

I work for American. I was just showing support and discussing.

11-19-2024 | 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

While I personally am absolutely not working a day beyond 65, my extra five years were in the right seat of an RJ. Back when it didn't pay $150K. I'm not the only one. Just sayin.

Same here. How is another two years going to fix that?