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loudclouds 02-12-2025 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3882146)
because they are not positioned to be successful on their own. If spirit has worse than projected revenue this summer the company will liquidate.

im honestly pretty shocked they couldn’t come to a deal. Spirit is acting like it’s not hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and has a position to demand top dollar on the market.

After Frontiers stock increase of 20% over the last week plus getting rid of the 350 million creditors would pay to get out of bankruptcy that’s literally almost a half a billion dollar swing in value.

I wish you all the best if this doesn’t get done, but for them to reject this is kind of absurd in their overvaluation of what they think spirit is worth.

or, they see more value for themselves in a liquidation down the road. Remember, if they can get the same amount of money or more in liquidation they will do it without thinking twice. These people do not care about you or your loved ones whatsoever and will do what benefits themselves.

I'm really not trying to be mean, but everyone, please use this guy as a prime example of why pilots shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on anything other than flying a plane.

spooldup 02-12-2025 04:58 AM

Pretty sure its just another negotiating tactic spirit is using... Get F9 worried they don't have a chance, to get just a wee bit more.

We will see. I am still hopeful.

JK- Our CEO sent an email saying they are no longer pursuing.

Tranquility 02-12-2025 06:03 AM

Makes one wonder what the Spirit bond holders (realistically, the ones calling the shots) see of such value that we do not.🤨🤔

Alexjones 02-12-2025 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3882199)
Makes one wonder what the Spirit bond holders (realistically, the ones calling the shots) see of such value that we do not.🤨🤔

They don’t need to take a hit. Let spirit try an return to profitability if not liquidate and get a better return than F9s offer today

DrSteveBrule 02-12-2025 06:17 AM

Bondholders know the ballpark value of a liquidiated Spirit. I assume the risk of another failed merge requires them to demand significantly more cash up front, and probably way more payment if any merger does fail. Bondholders are in the driver's seat. Not Franke, not Christie. Bondholders will get their money either way. They aren't a charity and they dont care whether a bunch of pilots and FAs have a job or not. They want their ROI.

Stayontarget 02-12-2025 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Alexjones (Post 3882208)
They don’t need to take a hit. Let spirit try an return to profitability if not liquidate and get a better return than F9s offer today

That doesn’t math. Frontiers offer is around 2B. According to project Bravo Spirits assets total around 500M.

SSlow 02-12-2025 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule (Post 3882209)
Bondholders know the ballpark value of a liquidiated Spirit. I assume the risk of another failed merge requires them to demand significantly more cash up front, and probably way more payment if any merger does fail. Bondholders are in the driver's seat. Not Franke, not Christie. Bondholders will get their money either way. They aren't a charity and they dont care whether a bunch of pilots and FAs have a job or not. They want their ROI.

Which is nice to see for a change. Market forces at work versus Franke's dream to see a mega ULCC with a subpar pilot contract in a dying business model with no long term future.

It would suck if we liquidate, but I would rather be forced to start over at a legacy as opposed to hearing PS talk about bites of the apple during a hypothetical JCBA process with Frontier.

The bondholders aren't a charity and neither is my career.

Flat408 02-12-2025 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3882219)
Which is nice to see for a change. Market forces at work versus Franke's dream to see a mega ULCC with a subpar pilot contract in a dying business model with no long term future.

It would suck if we liquidate, but I would rather be forced to start over at a legacy as opposed to hearing PS talk about bites of the apple during a hypothetical JCBA process with Frontier.

The bondholders aren't a charity and neither is my career.

Forced to start over at a legacy ? How do you know they even want to hire you ? Sounds like it’s better to wait at a failing company .

Judge Smails 02-12-2025 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3882219)
I would rather be forced to start over at a legacy as opposed to hearing PS talk about bites of the apple during a hypothetical JCBA process with Frontier.

You make it sound like legacies will be banging down your door. This place liquidates, take a number, it'll probably look like the waiting room in Beetlejuice.

bluespoon 02-12-2025 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3882215)
That doesn’t math. Frontiers offer is around 2B. According to project Bravo Spirits assets total around 500M.

Or they are confident Spirit will get back to profitability.


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