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rickair7777 02-06-2025 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by TheRubberDucky (Post 3880115)

Probably. Either that or more time to decide between free peanuts or pretzels with the re-branded service.

checkgear 02-06-2025 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3880128)
Probably. Either that or more time to decide between free peanuts or pretzels with the re-branded service.

I hope we get pretzels

CincoDeMayo 02-06-2025 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 3880156)
I hope we get pretzels

I believe as a frontier crew member, you have to pay 50% of those pretzels if you want to snack during flight

Are they still charging pilots for snacks?

redhot 02-06-2025 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3880128)
Probably. Either that or more time to decide between free peanuts or pretzels with the re-branded service.

Barry our CEO was spotted in MIA this Monday. The deal is getting done and will either get announced tomorrow morning or sometime next week…

no way it doesn’t happen when the date pushed again and Barry out at NK HQ earlier in the week.

Stayontarget 02-06-2025 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3880181)
I believe as a frontier crew member, you have to pay 50% of those pretzels if you want to snack during flight

Are they still charging pilots for snacks?

No I’ve never paid for an item on our aircraft

LinaPeru 02-06-2025 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3880182)
Barry our CEO was spotted in MIA this Monday. The deal is getting done and will either get announced tomorrow morning or sometime next week…

no way it doesn’t happen when the date pushed again and Barry out at NK HQ earlier in the week.

where'd you get this timeline from? I mean it’s very specific and very soon.

CGLimits 02-06-2025 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by LinaPeru (Post 3880217)
where'd you get this timeline from? I mean it’s very specific and very soon.

Yeah I think he could just be enjoying some mariquitas, picadillo and of course loads of flan down in Miami.

LinaPeru 02-06-2025 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by CGLimits (Post 3880220)
Yeah I think he could just be enjoying some mariquitas, picadillo and of course loads of flan down in Miami.

Im not doubting he was there. I’m just wondering this timeline.

Also, you forgot the Tres Leches. That chunker certainly eyes the fat boy food.

Born2FlyAv8R 02-06-2025 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3880181)
I believe as a frontier crew member, you have to pay 50% of those pretzels if you want to snack during flight

Are they still charging pilots for snacks?


free snacks for flight crew in the JCBA - non negotiable.

in unity

VisionWings 02-06-2025 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by LinaPeru (Post 3880224)
Im not doubting he was there. I’m just wondering this timeline.

Also, you forgot the Tres Leches. That chunker certainly eyes the fat boy food.


I believe his estimate is accurate. Given the extension to the 20th for debt negotiations with spirit debt holders. While also having tomorrow be q4 earnings report for Frontier. Because of the nature of the acquisition being one while still in chapter 11 being monetarily advantageous to frontier this leaves a short time frame to ink a deal.


plausible time frame. But spirit can continue to get extensions for sometime.

CGLimits 02-06-2025 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by LinaPeru (Post 3880224)
Im not doubting he was there. I’m just wondering this timeline.

Also, you forgot the Tres Leches. That chunker certainly eyes the fat boy food.

He probably mixes both…😳

redhot 02-06-2025 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by VisionWings (Post 3880237)
I believe his estimate is accurate. Given the extension to the 20th for debt negotiations with spirit debt holders. While also having tomorrow be q4 earnings report for Frontier. Because of the nature of the acquisition being one while still in chapter 11 being monetarily advantageous to frontier this leaves a short time frame to ink a deal.


plausible time frame. But spirit can continue to get extensions for sometime.


yes exactly this. As Franke and Barry said in the 8K “time is of the essence”… Ted also said (which makes sense) how expensive staying in bankruptcy is.

Tune in tomorrow, I think we will hear something before markets open

Also I could be totally wrong and will be the first to admit it. I just think all points lead to tomorrow or sometime next week.

time will tell.

Stayontarget 02-06-2025 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3880264)
yes exactly this. As Franke and Barry said in the 8K “time is of the essence”… Ted also said (which makes sense) how expensive staying in bankruptcy is.

Tune in tomorrow, I think we will hear something before markets open

Also I could be totally wrong and will be the first to admit it. I just think all points lead to tomorrow or sometime next week.

time will tell.

Indeed time will tell.

My guess is that they will start off the call with “We are not going to talk about a Spirit merger during this call” again like they did last time. If something were going to be announced it would be closer to the 20th.

redhot 02-06-2025 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3880287)
Indeed time will tell.

My guess is that they will start off the call with “We are not going to talk about a Spirit merger during this call” again like they did last time. If something were going to be announced it would be closer to the 20th.


One question I have is now that all the info in the 8K is public does that change their tone at all on answering questions about the topic now that it’s been confirmed in both companies SEC fillings? Probably not, and they will say what you have said.

All of the investor questions will be for nothing due to a merged airline being completely different then stand alone airline.

Stayontarget 02-06-2025 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3880304)
One question I have is now that all the info in the 8K is public does that change their tone at all on answering questions about the topic now that it’s been confirmed in both companies SEC fillings? Probably not, and they will say what you have said.

All of the investor questions will be for nothing due to a merged airline being completely different then stand alone airline.

Good question. https://tenor.com/view/tommy-boy-chr...ss-gif-4280737

RVSMUnable 02-08-2025 10:17 AM

I've never paid anything on our flights, though I did hear 1 account that said they did. With out Q4 earnings out, we might hear something monday or this week. Who knows.

In Unity.

LFaber69 02-09-2025 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by RVSMUnable (Post 3880990)
I've never paid anything on our flights, though I did hear 1 account that said they did. With out Q4 earnings out, we might hear something monday or this week. Who knows.

In Unity.

Let's hope so! I'm tired of feeling like the feather in Forrest Gump

Halon1211 02-10-2025 07:10 AM

Southwest is scheduled to release an announcement today. Check out Spirit stock. It’s going to the moon!!!!🌖

VisionWings 02-10-2025 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3881506)
Southwest is scheduled to release an announcement today. Check out Spirit stock. It’s going to the moon!!!!🌖


I don’t see any Southwest news or filings. But spirit is flying. lol.

WHACKMASTER 02-10-2025 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by VisionWings (Post 3881514)
I don’t see any Southwest news or filings. But spirit is flying. lol.

The only thing I’m seeing is more Halon trolling.

Alexjones 02-10-2025 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3881506)
Southwest is scheduled to release an announcement today. Check out Spirit stock. It’s going to the moon!!!!🌖


F9 & NK stocks ironically are up 15-20% today confidence ?

SAL,DL,UA & AA are down 5%

your merger is not confirmed

rickair7777 02-10-2025 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3881506)
Southwest is scheduled to release an announcement today. Check out Spirit stock. It’s going to the moon!!!!🌖

Well anything's possible with the current admin, and Kahn and Kanter standing in line down at the unemployment office.

symbian simian 02-10-2025 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by Alexjones (Post 3881534)
F9 & NK stocks ironically are up 15-20% today confidence ?

SAL,DL,UA & AA are down 5%

your merger is not confirmed

SAL???? do you even have a PPL?

TheRubberDucky 02-11-2025 06:51 PM

https://ir.spirit.com/news/news-deta...r/default.aspx

Stayontarget 02-11-2025 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by TheRubberDucky (Post 3882092)

So they are both interested but can’t agree on price? Sounds like Craigslist alright.

AutoBrksMedium 02-12-2025 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3882095)
So they are both interested but can’t agree on price? Sounds like Craigslist alright.

Why is Spirit even entertaining offers when they are positioned to exit bankruptcy and be successful on their own?

hockeypilot44 02-12-2025 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium (Post 3882144)
Why is Spirit even entertaining offers when they are positioned to exit bankruptcy and be successful on their own?

Maybe they aren’t positioned as well as you think and are bluffing?

redhot 02-12-2025 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium (Post 3882144)
Why is Spirit even entertaining offers when they are positioned to exit bankruptcy and be successful on their own?

because they are not positioned to be successful on their own. If spirit has worse than projected revenue this summer the company will liquidate.

im honestly pretty shocked they couldn’t come to a deal. Spirit is acting like it’s not hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and has a position to demand top dollar on the market.

After Frontiers stock increase of 20% over the last week plus getting rid of the 350 million creditors would pay to get out of bankruptcy that’s literally almost a half a billion dollar swing in value.

I wish you all the best if this doesn’t get done, but for them to reject this is kind of absurd in their overvaluation of what they think spirit is worth.

or, they see more value for themselves in a liquidation down the road. Remember, if they can get the same amount of money or more in liquidation they will do it without thinking twice. These people do not care about you or your loved ones whatsoever and will do what benefits themselves.

Lakeaffect 02-12-2025 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3882145)
Maybe they aren’t positioned as well as you think and are bluffing?

I know that probably felt good to say, but you should try not to use every opportunity to spread fear and anxiety on the peasants beneath you.


Lakeaffect 02-12-2025 04:02 AM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3882146)
because they are not positioned to be successful on their own. If spirit has worse than projected revenue this summer the company will liquidate.

im honestly pretty shocked they couldn’t come to a deal. Spirit is acting like it’s not hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and has a position to demand top dollar on the market.

After Frontiers stock increase of 20% over the last week plus getting rid of the 350 million creditors would pay to get out of bankruptcy that’s literally almost a half a billion dollar swing in value.

I wish you all the best if this doesn’t get done, but for them to reject this is kind of absurd in their overvaluation of what they think spirit is worth.

or, they see more value for themselves in a liquidation down the road. Remember, if they can get the same amount of money or more in liquidation they will do it without thinking twice. These people do not care about you or your loved ones whatsoever and will do what benefits themselves.

This is like an opinion about how you should raise your kids from someone with no kids……just worthless.

Do not listen to pilots for advice about anything other than how to fly a plane.

loudclouds 02-12-2025 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by redhot (Post 3882146)
because they are not positioned to be successful on their own. If spirit has worse than projected revenue this summer the company will liquidate.

im honestly pretty shocked they couldn’t come to a deal. Spirit is acting like it’s not hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and has a position to demand top dollar on the market.

After Frontiers stock increase of 20% over the last week plus getting rid of the 350 million creditors would pay to get out of bankruptcy that’s literally almost a half a billion dollar swing in value.

I wish you all the best if this doesn’t get done, but for them to reject this is kind of absurd in their overvaluation of what they think spirit is worth.

or, they see more value for themselves in a liquidation down the road. Remember, if they can get the same amount of money or more in liquidation they will do it without thinking twice. These people do not care about you or your loved ones whatsoever and will do what benefits themselves.

I'm really not trying to be mean, but everyone, please use this guy as a prime example of why pilots shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on anything other than flying a plane.

spooldup 02-12-2025 04:58 AM

Pretty sure its just another negotiating tactic spirit is using... Get F9 worried they don't have a chance, to get just a wee bit more.

We will see. I am still hopeful.

JK- Our CEO sent an email saying they are no longer pursuing.

Tranquility 02-12-2025 06:03 AM

Makes one wonder what the Spirit bond holders (realistically, the ones calling the shots) see of such value that we do not.🤨🤔

Alexjones 02-12-2025 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3882199)
Makes one wonder what the Spirit bond holders (realistically, the ones calling the shots) see of such value that we do not.🤨🤔

They don’t need to take a hit. Let spirit try an return to profitability if not liquidate and get a better return than F9s offer today

DrSteveBrule 02-12-2025 06:17 AM

Bondholders know the ballpark value of a liquidiated Spirit. I assume the risk of another failed merge requires them to demand significantly more cash up front, and probably way more payment if any merger does fail. Bondholders are in the driver's seat. Not Franke, not Christie. Bondholders will get their money either way. They aren't a charity and they dont care whether a bunch of pilots and FAs have a job or not. They want their ROI.

Stayontarget 02-12-2025 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Alexjones (Post 3882208)
They don’t need to take a hit. Let spirit try an return to profitability if not liquidate and get a better return than F9s offer today

That doesn’t math. Frontiers offer is around 2B. According to project Bravo Spirits assets total around 500M.

SSlow 02-12-2025 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by DrSteveBrule (Post 3882209)
Bondholders know the ballpark value of a liquidiated Spirit. I assume the risk of another failed merge requires them to demand significantly more cash up front, and probably way more payment if any merger does fail. Bondholders are in the driver's seat. Not Franke, not Christie. Bondholders will get their money either way. They aren't a charity and they dont care whether a bunch of pilots and FAs have a job or not. They want their ROI.

Which is nice to see for a change. Market forces at work versus Franke's dream to see a mega ULCC with a subpar pilot contract in a dying business model with no long term future.

It would suck if we liquidate, but I would rather be forced to start over at a legacy as opposed to hearing PS talk about bites of the apple during a hypothetical JCBA process with Frontier.

The bondholders aren't a charity and neither is my career.

Flat408 02-12-2025 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3882219)
Which is nice to see for a change. Market forces at work versus Franke's dream to see a mega ULCC with a subpar pilot contract in a dying business model with no long term future.

It would suck if we liquidate, but I would rather be forced to start over at a legacy as opposed to hearing PS talk about bites of the apple during a hypothetical JCBA process with Frontier.

The bondholders aren't a charity and neither is my career.

Forced to start over at a legacy ? How do you know they even want to hire you ? Sounds like it’s better to wait at a failing company .

Judge Smails 02-12-2025 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3882219)
I would rather be forced to start over at a legacy as opposed to hearing PS talk about bites of the apple during a hypothetical JCBA process with Frontier.

You make it sound like legacies will be banging down your door. This place liquidates, take a number, it'll probably look like the waiting room in Beetlejuice.

bluespoon 02-12-2025 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3882215)
That doesn’t math. Frontiers offer is around 2B. According to project Bravo Spirits assets total around 500M.

Or they are confident Spirit will get back to profitability.


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