UA does have a section for that on the app

I'm a NK furlough. The official day is Nov 1st. Can I check the furlough button on the application now, even though I'm not officially furloughed?

well since the bid hasn’t actually run I’d say no.

I would. You need a new job, it’s competitive out there. I assume since you are a furlough you might not be super competitive for a legacy job so take every advantage you have, including the furlough button. Heck, check the Asian or anything “exotic” button too, I’m sure somewhere in your background there is a unique box.

If anyone asks you if you have been furloughed I’m sure a WARN letter from a failing company who has thrice furloughed recently will satisfy their concern.

Don't listen to this dude. It's still lying on an application and shows lack of character. I know you need a job but do it the right way with integrity and dont cut corners.

Yeah, they might very well let it slide but it's equally likely they'd consider it lying and blacklist you for good. Don't take the chance.

Also when an airline offers preferential treatment to ALPA furloughs, that's a benefit negotiated by their own union and it's possible the hiring folks don't even like the program. Don't give them an easy out.

This right here^^^

You’re not getting called before Nov1 for an interview anyway. Absolutely check all those boxes you can

Trying to weed out the competition one applicant at a time? Be 100% honest/accurate and check currently employed now, and then update the application the day the furlough becomes effective.

Doesn't matter. Recruiting can see every single edit that you made and when you made it. If they see that you checked the “furloughed” box before you were sent an invitation and before you were furloughed, there’s a very good chance that it’s not going to end well for you.

Some of you guys really don’t understand how big of a deal integrity is at the legacies and especially at United. People lose jobs over it, they will absolutely give you a TBNT over it. How are they going to trust you with their plane when they can’t trust you to fill out an app. Don’t be that person

Thank you SFF! Someone who gets it!

Yep. Stealing a base - even in baseball - is a good idea only if you don’t get caught. Risk-benefit ratio on this weighs heavily toward risk. United, Delta, and AA will be retiring large numbers for quite awhile. Don’t permanently disqualify yourself in hopes of a three month advantage.

Haha. Ok. Sure

integrity. Because UAL pilots will never call fatigue when they are not fatigued. Because UAL pilots will never bang out sick, when not sick. Because UAL pilots will never take the full reserve call out time even though they can get there earlier. Because UAL pilots would never carry a small write up back to base for go home leg.

If your advice is to wait until you are on the street vs a letter saying you will be on the street, that’s fine. But the high horse preaching about the level of integrity of UAL pilots, sure.

That’s at every airline, not just extra especially at United.

Whaaaaaat?! Everyone knows United Airlines is the bastion of integrity…I heard some people talking about it while I was waiting for my smoothie earlier. One United pilot told me he waited until his family was homeless and hungry before he even applied. What a solid dude.

Just a thought. Email pilot hiring and ask them for clarification. It prevents a misstep and gives you another touch point, highlighting your status.

Best advice yet. They might well give you the OK, if already in receipt of furlough notice. If not, at least you know for sure.

Let me STOP you right there. Wanting and expecting your contract to be adhered to is NOT a lack of integrity.

The company getting upset at pilots who refuse to waive certain contractual entitlements, or being called “that guy” by their peers is inappropriate and intolerable!


I can’t comment on your other claims. But the short call report time language is very very very important. People make Real Estate decisions based on that. Your negotiating committee and the company took months and already mutually agreed on something. If everyone that’s at an airport hotel always says “yes” eventually a culture of contract non compliance develops and becomes de rigueur, and the company makes pilots who actually need it, feel like they are in violation of something.

There's a nuance though... in the current era, reserve call-out times are getting longer, in some cases with language or an understanding of "get there as soon as you can".

If everybody takes it to the contractual max, then something will eventually have to give as the company will act to ensure operational reliability... whether that's hot reserve or shorter call-outs we don't know.

There's such a thing as enlightened self-interest. I won't rush, drive 95mph, etc. I might not even cut my workout short. But if I'm sitting around doing not much, then I'd probably head on in. Especially if it's late, no need to keep the pax, crew, and myself up any later than necessary on the back end.

Something to think about.

Agreed 100%. This is the exact reason AA doesn’t have a short call call out time; get there as promptly and safely as possible. Don’t need pilots speeding down the interstate to make a 3 hour clock that starts when you hang the phone up. I personally won’t keep a crew and passengers waiting longer than needed just to hit an hour and minute goal. I’ll get there when I get there, ready to fly. Too bad UAL still has a timer for you to get there.

And none of this matters to a NK guy looking at furlough. I said “check the box” others say don’t, one had the best idea to just call and ask.

But ol UAL boy had to come on talking about how integrity is a UAL thing more than every other airline. What a joke.

That language is not in the CBA where I work.

If it were such an issue than the company wouldn’t have agreed to it.


Agree to disagree.

No. The Furlough Coordinator at NK provides a list of names of those actively furloughed to United, who then shares it with the VP of Flight Ops, who in turn sends it to the Pilot Recruiting team. If you have an app in with UA and are on said list, the system will recognize your furlough status and award you additional points on your app which can HELP trigger the Hogan is you’re competitive. Check the box all you want, it doesn’t do a thing unless you are on the list provided to UA.

Some of the replies from certain individuals don’t surprise me at all. It’s your career, do as you please, but I know for a fact that people have gotten permanently disqualified for integrity.

I also never said it’s important at UAL MORE than another airline, I said ESPECIALLY at UAL. You love to hate on UAL so much you start spouting out anything because you’re mad. Tap the brakes, man.

One last point. It’s 2.5 hour call out for SC. If they want us there sooner, they offer add pay along with paid short term parking, etc… but we don’t have to accept it. The company doesn’t get bent out of shape because of the contractual language because it’s.. contractual and we all agreed to play by the same rules. I personally don’t mind it. It’s been lucrative at times.To each their own. If you have a problem with it, don’t apply to UAL since you don’t like the contract language. Simple as that.

Let's be honest: You're playing with semantics here. AA absolutely has a short call out time. It's not written, but it's technically 3 hours before your trip start time (thanks APA). AA also has a 1 hour report time prior to trip start.

As much as I like your "don't speed down the interstate" argument, and agree, but we know the way trips are given and assigned; based off that 3 hours.

Well of course, now that the assignments are automated, there needs to be an actual value for the computer to follow. But if you're not there in three hours, you're not there in three hours. I just did this last month - had a nanny issue and called CS to let them know when I'd be there. No sweat - they updated the departure time accordingly (it was about 4 hours from notification).

I'm not saying you should just roll in at 5 hours every time, but that's always been the case. As rarely as we get called last minute, guys have absolutely been comfortable living 3 hours away, and that's not changing now.

lol @ people saying United takes integrity very seriously when they have Kirby as their CEO.

Pilot roles obviously and inherently require integrity.

CEO roles, kind of the opposite... assuming they are selected to maximize shareholder value, and the enrichment of key stakeholders (not necessary in that order lol). Many CEO's are actually in fact sociopaths (very high functioning of course).

He just pointed out that saying anything that is not technically correct on your application could result in you not getting the call. A former colleague (not NK) was fired during training for questionable behavior. What he told me happened should not have gotten him fired, but I knew him, and I wasn't sure if he told me the whole story.... I don't think the advice to be above reproach from applying (until of probation) suggests UA pilots are better than the others.

I can’t tell you what any other airline is like, but I will tell you that the one thing that will get you fired at UAL is lying. Or texting while taxiing on probation, or meowing on guard (or at any time) during OE.

All true. I think most people on here get what was being implied; honesty is important at all airlines. Lying, stealing, etc - flagrant integrity violations - are going to be non-negotiables for most CPOs.

It’s truly laughable the mental gymnastics a few of the usuals have done in this thread (and many others) because they have such a hard-on for one airline or another. TBNT maybe…🤷‍♂️

I can only hope this is all true.

Right? I think most sane people understood what you were getting at, but some have to turn it into a tirade🤷‍♂️

I’ve heard it from several UA pilots and then a friend of mine from AA called me and told me the same stories. So either it’s the same stories, or there are a lot of dumba$$ doing the same thing.

I can confirm the texting scenario; no knowledge of an incident regarding meowing.

*** that’s not to imply that UA pilots are better at texting while taxiing than anyone else*** for all you sensitive goons that read into everything🤣

😂😂😂

filler

Careful, man.. A couple people here might start another fight because of such a thing. Can never be too careful out here lol

United circle jerk in progress…take cover..

Remember that UAL pilot who got caught running a brothel and pistol whipping people?

What a legend

Can you imagine throwing away multiple millions of $$ over a text or two? How foolish.