To all of my furloughees...
 

Where do you intend on going if a legacy doesn't call

There’s a pretty solid truck driving school in the Detroit metro area. If Goose considered it, so can I

world Atlantic

filler

dude! There has to he somewhere else? That's 36th st mafia there

Any port in a storm

Hopefully s/he has a buddy there that will shoot them straight.
as a survivor of bottom feeder ACMI I would never go back

Truckmasters.

nursing school

You could always become a flight attendant temporarily - change your name to Kavon
“Hhhhhhaaaaaayyyyyy !! 🤣😂

Lego Store

Greeter at Walmart / The Home Depot / Lowe’s

Not a NK furloughee but I do OnlyFans.

Good work if you can get it. Even tho some of yall are pretty fugly, you’d be surprised what people will pay for in this economy.

Feet pics > onlyfans

Hey all,

hoping that things get better over at NK. What is the DOH for the most senior furloughee? I don’t have access to a seniority list and am curious. Thanks

worst case scenario feb 2023

downgrade award just posted. most junior captain may 2018. wild....

Damn, that's a pretty deep cut

Dec 22’ hire. Counted about 150ish behind me on the list. Went from roughly 1000 behind me on the seniority list, to this in about a year.

How many total furloughs?

Not responding specifically to your post, Nuke. Just quoting you so as to make a general comment. Plus you hope for better days for the NK people.

I am slightly (but not totally) surprised at the number of comments making light of.... no, actually making fun of, people who have lost their jobs. Has aviation been so good for so long that most people haven't experienced this?
When you are furloughed, or your airline liquidates, it usually means no one else is hiring. Even if airlines x or y are hiring, it takes many months to get hired and work your way through the hiring pool.
And jokes aside, yes one does then work at Walmart or go get their CDL to drive trucks. (only to have their trucking company go chapter 7 while 800 miles from home)

I am long retired, but lived through 4 airlines going bellyup. (plus one canceling a new hire class on me at the last minute, after having already quit my charter job)
While my sympathy won't buy anyone a cup of coffee, for any furloughed pilot reading this, you have my sympathy. Wishing you all to land on your feet, but I know that for some circumstances will prevent that from happing..

Still more junior than a captain over at bluejet… 2017 for us. No disrespect. I know what you guys are going through but it’s more of a shock factor

I wonder how many the next cut will be and how soon. Have they mentioned the future staffing goals?

No, our management has been either radio silence or outright lying to us for a while now. How lying? Just a couple months ago a chief pilot told me that the training center is gearing up for hiring in the fall and I'll be a captain again soon. All lies. I don't think the chief was lying, I think management lied to him.

We didn't know about this furlough until it was announced. My next guess, and it's just a guess, is that by the end of the year they announce the sale of whatever planes are left that we own and another furlough of 100-200 and 50-100 downgrades.

Guys on this forum knew about the furloughs before it was announced; some down to the number. It’s not as secret as you might think.

The last 15 years have been an unprecedented boon for most of aviation, so, many, if not most current pilots have not seen the dark days of the industry. The last real recession was 2008-2009, and in the years since COVID, pretty much every airline has been actively hiring thousands, and many applicants have been able to choose from multiple CJOs. Regional pay in many cases has also been as good or better than narrow-body pay at a major was just 10-15 years ago. Instead of having to scrape by at barely-livable regional wages for a decade flying NDB approaches in an egg beater into XYZ regional airport before getting their big break, many are getting hired at majors after several months or a couple years flying a 76-seat jet for 6-figures. A couple years later, they're NB CAs or WB FOs at a legacy.

While this is certainly a positive trend for the career trajectory of prospective aviators, it seems some have difficulty being empathetic towards others having to endure a hardships that they themselves never had to experience firsthand.

I get the point you are making about empty toward hardship, and there is definitely validity to it.

That said, as a separate issue, I think it is important to point out that some of the data used is no longer valid, and I'd hate for someone to make a career decision going forward with old data/expectations.

I can only speak intelligently about DL. While there was a short period, induced by the post-Covid recovery, where the bold was true in small numbers, DL has barely hired 500 this year, is on a pause (for reasons beyond the scope here), and will not resume until 2026. Even before this pause, competitive hiring mins had come up significantly off the post-Covid bottom. The most recent NH's I have flown with were at a regional for 3-4 years+, not any less.

Same for upgrade timing, which has progressively trended more and more senior, and is currently about 80% for NB CA, and 70% for WB FO. Assuming no topline growth, someone hired tomorrow will need roughly 3500 pilots hired after them for NB CA, and 5000 hired after them for WB FO to have the first opportunity at upgrade (and would probably require a commute). How long will in take the next hire to reach those levels? In 4-5 years, It could easily be more senior than that. Regardless, there is zero chance a NH today will see the speed of opportunities that the 2021-2022 hires saw. They were extraordinarily lucky. That's just how the industry goes. The last 2 years of DL data is here, for anyone curious.

I don't say any of this to be discouraging, only to manage realistic expectations and hopefully assist folks in making decisions based on current info. Again, I can't speak intelligently about UA/AA, but I doubt they are much different. I hope it helps.

Best of luck. Everyone I fly with is pulling for you folks, truly. I hope we resume hiring soon and pickup every one of you we can.

not sure why such a large disparity but UAL is supposed to hire over 3,000 the next 18 months, I’m pretty sure AA the same. Delta I guess just being more conservative.

Last I heard for AA we were aiming for similar numbers to UAL, and supposedly (big rumour) they’re trying to prioritise NK furloughs for assessments and interviews so hopefully we can take as many as possible

Could be wrong, but I believe DL got a jump start on hiring a few years prior to COVID

This… their hiring wave started first.

That's a good rumor. Where are you hearing it?

AA group chats, could be the usual BS tho but I’m hoping it’s true

AA has its own internal pilot forum and facebook pages that have significantly higher engagement than APC. The word is 600 more NH’s this year and over 2k in 2026. It’s my understanding they’ve been prioritizing NK pilots for a while now.

Fantastic! That is excellent news. I hope United and AA pick up most of the Spirit pilots that apply. We'd love to have them at DAL too, but our management (as Fangs15 indicated in an earlier post) has decided that hiring right now (although we are understaffed in many categories) is not prudent.

I know United is hiring Spirit pilots, and that will pick up as we ramp up hiring the rest of this year and 2026-2029. But I don't know if they get any kind of priority. I can't imagine they won't since most of them have a high number of hours and they are type rated on a plane we fly.

Good luck to everyone.

Those who are actually furloughed are getting additional points on their United app. The key is them actually applying.

Thats awesome.

I've had my apps to United, Delta, and AA out for almost a year. How do they know I'm getting furloughed?

Wonder what all them DFW boys and girls are going to do with the news that they want to close Dallas along with some other bases?

I know a lot of them said they’re never leaving, but with this news, they gotta be updating their apps fo sho.

In the past, application forms had a checkbox to indicate furloughed ALPA.