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Lakeaffect 03-18-2026 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014014)
Has it ever occurred to you that cancelations are what motivates mgmt to bring back your fellow pilots? When you help out and cancelations stop, then what happens with the furloughees?

It's moot now since they announced recalls, but before that announcement, it was ****ty to do that. The whole point of not picking up trips is to force mgmt to start canceling flights, because that's the motivation to bring furloughees back. If mgmt sees that they can get by with only the pilots on property and can depend on them to pick up flights, why would they bring on more expense? Do you really think a recall would happen if flights were not being canceled or has the potential to be canceled? Why, because they just love pilots?

I want to believe that majority(more than 50%) of NK pilots understand this, which could be why flights were still being canceled even if some pilots were "helping out".

But keep justifying your actions.

As I said, the recall is happening so it's moot now.

That’s illegal, and most Spirit pilots who are still here know and remember being sued by Spirit for doing that in 2017. You were probably still in grade school when the ones you are looking down on were learning hard lessons that you now judge us for not doing.

Recalls are happening because of attrition. One or 2 pilots turning down trips or picking up trips probably doesn’t move the needle. Whatever amount becomes noticeable also becomes fuel for litigation.


Chimpy 03-18-2026 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014049)
That’s illegal, and most Spirit pilots who are still here know and remember being sued by Spirit for doing that in 2017. You were probably still in grade school when the ones you are looking down on were learning hard lessons that you now judge us for not doing.

Recalls are happening because of attrition. One or 2 pilots turning down trips or picking up trips probably doesn’t move the needle. Whatever amount becomes noticeable also becomes fuel for litigation.

listen, I’m not saying pick up, or don’t pick up, but lets be honest, that was the only thing that actually got the company to the table. We got a Contract shortly after.



Lakeaffect 03-18-2026 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 4014052)
listen, I’m not saying pick up, or don’t pick up, but lets be honest, that was the only thing that actually got the company to the table. We got a Contract shortly after.

Maybe. My point of contention is the loudest and most righteous are usually the ones covering or projecting their own actions.

Everyone has a reason for doing what they do, from the outside it can seem selfish. But even selfish looking behavior can be beneficial to others. 2 things can be true at once.

Just fly the contract and don’t make so many assumptions or judgments about what you think others are doing or their true intentions are.

SoFloFlyer 03-18-2026 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014049)
That’s illegal, and most Spirit pilots who are still here know and remember being sued by Spirit for doing that in 2017. You were probably still in grade school when the ones you are looking down on were learning hard lessons that you now judge us for not doing.

Recalls are happening because of attrition. One or 2 pilots turning down trips or picking up trips probably doesn’t move the needle. Whatever amount becomes noticeable also becomes fuel for litigation.

It’s illegal to only fly your awarded line and not pick up premium on your day off?

Lakeaffect 03-18-2026 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014071)
It’s illegal to only fly your awarded line and not pick up premium on your day off?

An individual pilot…no. But as collective group, a work action, the type that causes leverage, way outside the norms….yes.

sounds crazy, but your reaction was the same that I had too when it happened.

dera 03-18-2026 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014071)
It’s illegal to only fly your awarded line and not pick up premium on your day off?

Its hard to prove, but its called Withdrawal of Enthusiasm (WOE) and that is an illegal work action.

jack3d 03-18-2026 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014074)
An individual pilot…no. But as collective group, a work action, the type that causes leverage, way outside the norms….yes.

sounds crazy, but your reaction was the same that I had too when it happened.

Yup, and a certain executive who went to the court in 2017 is still in the c suite to this day.

Also in the 2017 TRO there were screen shots from this very website actually.

SoFloFlyer 03-18-2026 01:44 PM

They really reached then. NK pilots, in general, are some of the most pro-QOL pilots out there. The norm here is to work min days or even dropping trips and going below MPG. I don’t get it, but I’m just a pilot at the end of the day

Chimpy 03-18-2026 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 4014144)
They really reached then. NK pilots, in general, are some of the most pro-QOL pilots out there. The norm here is to work min days or even dropping trips and going below MPG. I don’t get it, but I’m just a pilot at the end of the day


Well, the bigger issue is ALPA had said repeatedly (for months) that we were short staffed and it would lead to yet another meltdown. It came to a head when there was a brawl in FLL and the Media picked up on it and that was that, then all of a sudden it was a problem. We also had a website for the Chokers and absolute morons who told Schedulers they refused to accept JRM trips until we got a contract. Some even put it down on the Notes screen or whatever it was for company to see. In typical Spirit management fashion, they created the mess then blamed the Pilots and used a few screenshots on here and some other things to sue us. It was ridiculous. That was like the 3rd or 4th Major meltdown I experienced at NK and literally nothing changed either time. The best is when long after COVID ended they still let the Schedulers work from home, that was another brilliant move. After waiting on hold for literally hours you had someone answer the phone while their kids were yelling the in background.

Anyway, the only reason NK still exists is because the Pilots consistiently go above and beyond to compensate for horrific mgmt. There is no way NK would recover from a 2017 type meltdown.

Bgood 03-18-2026 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014049)
That’s illegal, and most Spirit pilots who are still here know and remember being sued by Spirit for doing that in 2017. You were probably still in grade school when the ones you are looking down on were learning hard lessons that you now judge us for not doing.

Recalls are happening because of attrition. One or 2 pilots turning down trips or picking up trips probably doesn’t move the needle. Whatever amount becomes noticeable also becomes fuel for litigation.

The one without common sense that decides to create that website was the one to be blamed for that. It would've been very difficult to prove, but no. Let's highlight everything.

Hypothetically speaking, you don't need to go around telling pilots what not to do when someone is furloughed. Things can happen without whispering a word. Just look back at history. I think we are smart enough to not do stupid things.

I'm not looking down on any fellow pilot. I have an opinion that the reason given is BS and I'm going to say it. You can keep your "grade school" comment, swing and a miss. Like I said, it was a ****ty move and it's moot now.

Go tell the recall peeps that you were thinking about them when you(or whoever) were banking 150+ credits. You were saving the company and it was all for them. Smh. You ever thought that maybe, just a slight maybe, they would've been recalled sooner if it wasn't for some? Even a slight chance. It is what it is, I guess.

Disclaimer: not telling anyone to participate in work action yadayadaya...


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