Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014174)

The one without common sense that decides to create that website was the one to be blamed for that. It would've been very difficult to prove, but no. Let's highlight everything.

Hypothetically speaking, you don't need to go around telling pilots what not to do when someone is furloughed. Things can happen without whispering a word. Just look back at history. I think we are smart enough to not do stupid things.

I'm not looking down on any fellow pilot. I have an opinion that the reason given is BS and I'm going to say it. You can keep your "grade school" comment, swing and a miss. Like I said, it was a ****ty move and it's moot now.

Go tell the recall peeps that you were thinking about them when you(or whoever) were banking 150+ credits. You were saving the company and it was all for them. Smh. You ever thought that maybe, just a slight maybe, they would've been recalled sooner if it wasn't for some? Even a slight chance. It is what it is, I guess.

Disclaimer: not telling anyone to participate in work action yadayadaya...

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014174)

The one without common sense that decides to create that website was the one to be blamed for that. It would've been very difficult to prove, but no. Let's highlight everything.

Hypothetically speaking, you don't need to go around telling pilots what not to do when someone is furloughed. Things can happen without whispering a word. Just look back at history. I think we are smart enough to not do stupid things.

I'm not looking down on any fellow pilot. I have an opinion that the reason given is BS and I'm going to say it. You can keep your "grade school" comment, swing and a miss. Like I said, it was a ****ty move and it's moot now.

Go tell the recall peeps that you were thinking about them when you(or whoever) were banking 150+ credits. You were saving the company and it was all for them. Smh. You ever thought that maybe, just a slight maybe, they would've been recalled sooner if it wasn't for some? Even a slight chance. It is what it is, I guess.

Disclaimer: not telling anyone to participate in work action yadayadaya...

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014174)

The one without common sense that decides to create that website was the one to be blamed for that. It would've been very difficult to prove, but no. Let's highlight everything.

Hypothetically speaking, you don't need to go around telling pilots what not to do when someone is furloughed. Things can happen without whispering a word. Just look back at history. I think we are smart enough to not do stupid things.

I'm not looking down on any fellow pilot. I have an opinion that the reason given is BS and I'm going to say it. You can keep your "grade school" comment, swing and a miss. Like I said, it was a ****ty move and it's moot now.

Go tell the recall peeps that you were thinking about them when you(or whoever) were banking 150+ credits. You were saving the company and it was all for them. Smh. You ever thought that maybe, just a slight maybe, they would've been recalled sooner if it wasn't for some? Even a slight chance. It is what it is, I guess.

Disclaimer: not telling anyone to participate in work action yadayadaya...

Originally Posted by Chimpy (Post 4014159)

Well, the bigger issue is ALPA had said repeatedly (for months) that we were short staffed and it would lead to yet another meltdown. It came to a head when there was a brawl in FLL and the Media picked up on it and that was that, then all of a sudden it was a problem. We also had a website for the Chokers and absolute morons who told Schedulers they refused to accept JRM trips until we got a contract. Some even put it down on the Notes screen or whatever it was for company to see. In typical Spirit management fashion, they created the mess then blamed the Pilots and used a few screenshots on here and some other things to sue us. It was ridiculous. That was like the 3rd or 4th Major meltdown I experienced at NK and literally nothing changed either time. The best is when long after COVID ended they still let the Schedulers work from home, that was another brilliant move. After waiting on hold for literally hours you had someone answer the phone while their kids were yelling the in background.

Anyway, the only reason NK still exists is because the Pilots consistiently go above and beyond to compensate for horrific mgmt. There is no way NK would recover from a 2017 type meltdown.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014215)

When you fly a plane, is it all for the paycheck? Or all for the passengers? Or all for your crew? No. It’s for all those things, and more. It’s multi-faceted. Just because you get paid doesn’t mean you’re only looking out for yourself. Why do you apply such simple standards to things you disagree with? Because you haven’t quite thought it through of course. You’ve become emotionally attached to your opinion and are now only using evidence that supports your opinion.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014014)

Has it ever occurred to you that cancelations are what motivates mgmt to bring back your fellow pilots? When you help out and cancelations stop, then what happens with the furloughees?

It's moot now since they announced recalls, but before that announcement, it was ****ty to do that. The whole point of not picking up trips is to force mgmt to start canceling flights, because that's the motivation to bring furloughees back. If mgmt sees that they can get by with only the pilots on property and can depend on them to pick up flights, why would they bring on more expense? Do you really think a recall would happen if flights were not being canceled or has the potential to be canceled? Why, because they just love pilots?

I want to believe that majority(more than 50%) of NK pilots understand this, which could be why flights were still being canceled even if some pilots were "helping out".

But keep justifying your actions.

As I said, the recall is happening so it's moot now.

Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 4014227)

Seems like you missed the whole reason for my opinion. Read back all the comments of people using "helping the company so you have a company to come back to" as a reason for making bank, even in your own comment. That's where my comment derived from. I didn't apply the standard, I answered to it.

It would probably be better if they str8 up say they don't give a crap about the furloughs, "show me the money". Atleast they would be honest.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 4014230)

So you can see the possibility that picking up can be helpful to furloughs and that crediting high credit can be more than just selfishness? Or are you still sticking with your original opinion, that it’s only selfish, and not helpful? I think that might be the point you are missing or avoiding. I’ve agreed that it’s a possibility that picking up extra could be delaying furloughed pilots returning. Now can you agree that too much pressure could cause the company to collapse which would be bad for furlough pilots? Can you maybe, just maybe see that? Or do you only see it as selfishness? What if the pilots did it for free? Or would that be bad too, because then it would be not be getting paid enough, not be getting paid what legacy pilots make. Get paid too much and selfish. Get paid too little and a company man, lowering the bar, the laughing stock of the industry.

Originally Posted by emergencyexit (Post 4014252)

Don’t take these comments personal. I certainly don’t. Most are just projecting. Trying to justify why they left. Perhaps envious of $500+/hr A320 pay they could have been making right now if they would have just taken that AA class 3 months later. Because none of these clowns have looked at it from a credit perspective vs a block perspective.

someone picking up open time blocking 98 hours and crediting 98 hours is doing more of an injustice to the “bringing back furlough” debacle, compared to someone who blocks 40 and credits 78 due to premium trips. That person frees up 38 hours of block. Oh but the Y list should go to reserves you say? No. A reserve would never get assigned to an outstation trip.

Originally Posted by emergencyexit (Post 4014252)

Don’t take these comments personal. I certainly don’t. Most are just projecting. Trying to justify why they left. Perhaps envious of $500+/hr A320 pay they could have been making right now if they would have just taken that AA class 3 months later. Because none of these clowns have looked at it from a credit perspective vs a block perspective.

Originally Posted by emergencyexit (Post 4014252)

Don’t take these comments personal. I certainly don’t. Most are just projecting. Trying to justify why they left. Perhaps envious of $500+/hr A320 pay they could have been making right now if they would have just taken that AA class 3 months later. Because none of these clowns have looked at it from a credit perspective vs a block perspective.

someone picking up open time blocking 98 hours and crediting 98 hours is doing more of an injustice to the “bringing back furlough” debacle, compared to someone who blocks 40 and credits 78 due to premium trips. That person frees up 38 hours of block. Oh but the Y list should go to reserves you say? No. A reserve would never get assigned to an outstation trip.