Oh I really don't care. I don't plan on using anything personal on the company efb - not using my personal iTunes account on it. I was just wondering if I could use an existing otter box defender case I had leftover from a previous airline iPad efb with this one.

I'm actually glad we don't get first class meals like legacy airlines. I'd be 450lbs in a month

Getting sick of Pringles myself. But I need something to munch on while I watch the delta circus. You'd think by their posts that once their contract is ratified delta will immediately put a collar around there necks, chain them to the controls and pay them in food stamps, while others are thinking they just hit the lottery. Talk about confusion!

Morning Slug it's defintly entertaining. Two pages already on what if Delta goes on strike! How the h3ll am I supposed to get to work! Hahahaha!!! Now if I can just get my company efb I can follow the show in style.

nor are they interested by a A330/340 type apparently.

Let's not exaggerate. I know 4 people who got hired at Delta this year alone. None were military or had internal recommendations. One was with Spirit a few seniority above me. One was with Emirates for a year before jumping ship. Another one with XO Jet and last one flying with a regional turboprop. 3 of them are on the 80 and one on the 320.

I'd really like to see a crew meal on flights blocked over 3 hrs or any flying after 20:00. A turkey sandwich is not a crew meal either. Fine if they want to continue selling salt, sugar, and caffeine to the pax but it's really not much of a logistical issue to have two meals delivered to the plane for us labeled CA xyz and FO xyz. I know united pilots pick what they want to eat from choices when they check in for the pairing. It's not left over first class that the FAs decide they don't want.

^^^^^ This!!! I think we need food for any of the jungle turns. Its not abailable at many of the destinations.

If the company can't even deliver paperwork to the flight deck that is formatted properly, I'd hate to think what they'd try to deliver as food. Let's make lots more money and bring a meal to the plane.

Keep in mind that you need a way to store you meal(s) chilled, and some way to reheat them. I don't see that happening on a Spirit bus.

Screw getting food, ain't nothing wrong with bringing my own food on the plane. What we need are pay rates that let me quit shopping for crappy food at walmarts and let me start shopping for healthy food at Whole Foods.

What we need is the company to provide snack packs on the plane. Doesn't have to be a first class hot meal but does need to be somewhat nutritious, tasty and available. Nothing says you gotta eat it

Crew meals??? The house is on fire and you guys are arguing about the color of the drapes...

It's what people do when they realize that the big things will not change. In order to feel like we are somewhat relevant, we try to control the small stuff.

I wonder if we are worried about the same issues when thinking that the house is on fire. What concerns do you have?

It never ceases to amaze me about how blind pilot groups can be. This one is no different than others I have been at.
Let's try to keep our eye on the prize. Compensation, work rules and job security.
I will be happy to provide my own crappy crew meal.

^^^^^^^
This! I could care less about crew meals, we don't fly long enough legs for it to be a problem. But, there's only so many times we can say "more pay, keep our quality of life, scope, etc.' when talking about nks. Food gives us something else to gripe about. I wanna know the important stuff, when are we getting a contract, when will we merge with frontier, when can I start bidding DEN, why is BB selling his house, when will we fly into CLT, you know the important stuff.

Vote no and keep voting no until we get industry standard. Why would we agree to fly A320 aircraft for far less than other airlines represented by ALPA.

As far as I'm concerned; ALPA should have this policy. If you fly an A320 then this is your pay scale period. If you fly a B757 then this is your pay scale period. I will look at Delta and United's ALPA negotiated pay when I vote.

Thats how we got the "crumb duster" because retards kept bickering how dirty the flight deck was. Ill never forget one conference call when a dude took 6 mins ranting about one of his flight not being catered. We got bigger fish to fry and plenty of questions to ask management. At the end , we got the crum buster.

++++1! That guy is a total DOUCHER too!

You guys are right. I meant it only as an additional perk but we do have bigger fish to fry without any distractions.

To play devil's advocate, the main gist of any airline contract is pay, benefits, and scope. I wouldn't call anyone who busts out the pitch forks over that a retard.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe those pitch fork wielding pilots have been burned in the past? Personally, I've been through unnecessary pay concessions, theft of flight benefits, and concessions to scope, so yeah, I'm a little sensitive to that stuff too.

In regards to the DAL TA.

Most folks I know will vote no.

Would we vote no? I think that TA would pass here at spirit, which tells you a lot about the two pilot groups. I think it's going to pass.

Don't forget about policing guard. I think if we work hard we can make sure every post here on Delta Pilot Central is about the delta TA.

If we can secure an industry leading contract from ALPA, then Spirit would be "The talk of the town". ALPA should pitch to management all the free press we would get if we did get an industry leading contract.

Are you seriously expecting an industry leading contract?

Well, we already have industry leading distance learning...:D

You said it yourself, "They enjoy the benefits of a seriously underpaid labor force". That's why they will drag it out.

But that's a given, you also said, "I expect their optimum timing to be somewhere before these occur." I agree, but not for the seemingly obvious reason. If we get a TA before DAL, Spirit has a chance to fool us with a "industry std" pay package and therefore gain ratification. If our TA comes out after DAL ratifies a TA that dramatically increases industry std, I see no way that Spirit will give us that std because it will increase their costs far above anything that falls under their "Ultra Low COST" mantra. I predict that they will give us a little, but that we'll have to fight hard for anything near industry std. And that'll take years.

I just doubt that Spirit management will take the sure bet (pay us now), their past practice seems to predict that they will gamble and try to pay us later.

back to my cave

Agreed.
I was thinking they would have been smart to give us an industry standard contract about six months ago, that would have taken AAs new contract out of the picture as well. Now they are kinda stuck, they could give us a contract that would be accepted by the pilot group but be far below what other carriers are offering and leave them with an inability of attracting and retaining pilots. If they decide to drag things out Jetblue, Hawaiian, and even Allegiant could have a new contract. It is going to be an interesting couple of years.

You guys are on crack if you think we'll get a TA before DELTA ratifies a new contract. The TA at DELTA will pass with 65-70% in favor.

@ Dr Pepper

What do you mean an interesting few years!? I'm not expecting a TA by August but I can't imagine it will take "years"?

I say 3 to 4 yrs of negotiating in good faith

DAL & NWA, UAL& CAL, AA& US air All done in less than 2. DAL just reached a TA with 6 months before current contract is up Anything longer than that is not what I consider "Good faith"

I dont think we see an acceptable TA before attrition picks up to unacceptable levels. Im not saying we wont get a TA that resembles the distance learning LOA but certainly not industry leading or even industry standard.