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Orbit 08-27-2012 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by Lemonade (Post 1252096)
Huh??? What are you saying. The MEC did indeed vote to reject the first SLI. That is how our MEC does it right? We too have a separation between committee and MEC, don't we?

What are you guys talking about? Dont your committees work for your MEC? The tranny merg comm worked for the tranny MEC and they did not choose wisely. Don't try to strong arm Gary Kelly.

gatorbird 08-27-2012 08:19 AM

Gee Lemonade, from your bitter remarks regarding the CBA it would appear that you're not happy with what you're working under. You did have a chance to review it before accepting a position with the airline right? I mean, that would be irresponsible on your part to blindly accept a position with a company and not understand the conditions of your employment.

Those of us here before the current CBA have an ownership to this contract and are well within our rights to have beef with it. For me, I came in under the last CBA knowing it's goods/bads/uglies and never felt I had a right to complain about it; I was dealing with a known quantity when i started and could only concern myself with what I would like to see improved on when we were able to (and I rolled my sleeves up and got involved).

I'm starting see what Ramrod has been saying all along about others coming in and telling him he's been doing it all wrong. For those of you that are relatively new here: welcome on board; it's a fun place to work and probably better than where you came from. We're trying to make it even better and have been hard at work at it for years. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we don't. You are more than welcome to roll up your sleeves and get to work alongside us; this is your group now too and we could use the help. We would just assume, however, that you leave the negativity and any bitterness at the door. Even the parts you see that you don't like came on the backs of other's hard work. Like it or not, 450 of us walked out the door and gave Spirit the finger knowing we may have flown our last trip in an airplane with an "NK" on the tail. It wasn't easy- and we shouldn't expect it to get any easier the next time around. So the next time you get the notion to b&$ch about what you knowingly walked into, we'd prefer you just keep it to yourself. Most of you came from regionals that haven't done a damn thing to improve on this profession, so now's your chance to make a positive mark.

Lemonade 08-27-2012 09:46 AM

Don't interpret any of my comments to mean that I have any bitterness to those that sacrificed before I arrived here. Turning down a job because I don't like pieces of the contract is just plain crazy. In a few years it will be redone anyhow. The bottom line is that I am now a part of this union and have investigated how we got where we are. Now I want to be part of the future and have a right to my opinion. I will be working right beside you to make this place a better place to work. OK?

falcon2000aj 08-27-2012 09:52 AM

Well put gator!!! I was wondering what gives a guy that's hired in early 2012 the right to be bi$&hing about a contract he never fought for???? He should have went to Virgin or Bluejet! I'm fairly new here too. I enjoy my job a lot, but also see room to make it better next time around. Rest assured I'll be pulling up my sleeves and in the trenches with you all to make it better! Until then, I'll go to work and keep my FNG opinions to myself!!!!

NedsKid 08-27-2012 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by falcon2000aj (Post 1252189)
I was wondering what gives a guy that's hired in early 2012 the right to be bi$&hing about a contract he never fought for????

He/she has the same right to complain as anyone else on property, IMO.

It was great that we all came together for the strike - seriously, despite our differences, nobody crossed, and that was awesome.

But now that we're growing again, we are taking on new pilots. We have to assume Spirit hired these guys based on their qualifications, what they know. We, the Spirit pilots, would be incredibly short-sighted to limit the input of these new pilots, some of whom were much more than simply 'RJ guys' prior to joining our group.

So, new guys, feel free to complain - each complaint should be recognition of a potential weakness in our contract, and an issue you can help us fix when you get involved. We have too many guys, both new and old, that sit on the side-lines, lobbing negativity, but refusing to make any effort to help fix the problem.

Walking a picket line in the past doesn't give you the right to complain. Making an effort NOW to fix problems does.

Lemonade 08-27-2012 12:33 PM

Thanks nedskid. WE should all be able to work together to make ths a better place. If someone made mistakes in the past we can all learn from those mistakes. That is a sign of maturity. Now let's get prepared for a potential buyout or merger.

Dilbert 08-28-2012 07:04 AM

New spirit routes announced on twitter a little while ago. Den-phx, PDX-San, IAH-ORD, IAH-LAS

Sailor 08-30-2012 01:08 AM

anyone knows if the hiring panel in ORD will be interviewing or just collecting Resumes and shaking hands?

Sailor 08-30-2012 04:48 AM

Are we stoping LAS-AZA-LAS?

yawdamp 08-30-2012 06:55 AM

Heard the same. Don't know the reason why.


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