Spirit of NKS, Part IV
04-04-2017, 06:51 AM
#801
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Originally Posted by AirbusRetard
It's a wonder some of you don't get a call for interviews. I work with idiots...
Fly the contract, don't bend it
Tip your van driver, I honestly can't believe I'm typing this! The going rate is a dollar per bag btw.
If you are a captain and buying coffee with the fo, pay for his!!! If you are going to make a coffee run, at least by the lead coffee!
I just don't see the delta folks having these same conversation on their side of the board...
Fly the contract, don't bend it
Tip your van driver, I honestly can't believe I'm typing this! The going rate is a dollar per bag btw.
If you are a captain and buying coffee with the fo, pay for his!!! If you are going to make a coffee run, at least by the lead coffee!
I just don't see the delta folks having these same conversation on their side of the board...
It is a shame that you have to make this post but its also a shame that our first year pay puts pilots in the position of having to consider the financial ramifications of tipping a van driver. It is also a shame our new captains, who are the ones usually flying with first year pilots, have to consider the financial ramifications of buying their FO coffee/beers/dinner while trying to pay off their accumulated debt from their own year on first year pay.
No one wants to be the pilot not tipping the van driver but if a guy/gal has to choose between tipping the van driver and providing a few extra dollars for his family most pilots are going to choose their family. Again, the shame is that our pilots are even put in a position to have to make this choice.
04-04-2017, 07:20 AM
#803
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Originally Posted by AllForTheWookie
If we are asking for an industry standard legacy contract we need to start conducting ourselves like industry standard legacy pilots outside of the cockpit (I feel we are already at that level for pilot skills and flight operations as a pilot group).
It is a shame that you have to make this post but its also a shame that our first year pay puts pilots in the position of having to consider the financial ramifications of tipping a van driver. It is also a shame our new captains, who are the ones usually flying with first year pilots, have to consider the financial ramifications of buying their FO coffee/beers/dinner while trying to pay off their accumulated debt from their own year on first year pay.
No one wants to be the pilot not tipping the van driver but if a guy/gal has to choose between tipping the van driver and providing a few extra dollars for his family most pilots are going to choose their family. Again, the shame is that our pilots are even put in a position to have to make this choice.
It is a shame that you have to make this post but its also a shame that our first year pay puts pilots in the position of having to consider the financial ramifications of tipping a van driver. It is also a shame our new captains, who are the ones usually flying with first year pilots, have to consider the financial ramifications of buying their FO coffee/beers/dinner while trying to pay off their accumulated debt from their own year on first year pay.
No one wants to be the pilot not tipping the van driver but if a guy/gal has to choose between tipping the van driver and providing a few extra dollars for his family most pilots are going to choose their family. Again, the shame is that our pilots are even put in a position to have to make this choice.
Its $6 over a 4 day trip. No excuse to not tip. If the $1 is going to cause the house to be foreclosed and the kids to starve, tell the CA and maybe they will have the smarts to tip for you that trip. I would rather pay for their tips for the trip instead of stiffing the driver. The saying has always been "you dont tip for that ride, you tip for the next," and I believe that is true.
These van drivers have to listen to pilots B and complain every ride about their job, their pay, their "15 days off"...heck, they really deserve $2 a pilot.
04-04-2017, 07:50 AM
#805
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Originally Posted by Pgus
You mad brah? 
It's called having a nice gesture with a fellow pilot, I was not expecting a free meal or a free beer from all the captains that I flew with, but a few guys offered to pick up the tab. A big thank you to those guys.
It's called having a nice gesture with a fellow pilot, I was not expecting a free meal or a free beer from all the captains that I flew with, but a few guys offered to pick up the tab. A big thank you to those guys.
04-04-2017, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OneEyedMonster
I agree with what you're saying, I still dont think there is any excuse to not tip a van driver. We have FAs tipping van drivers at their low low pay, we tip van drivers. When we were at regionals, making $20 an hour, we tipped van drivers. The $1 a ride has never been adjusted for inflation, its $1, tip van drivers.
Its $6 over a 4 day trip. No excuse to not tip. If the $1 is going to cause the house to be foreclosed and the kids to starve, tell the CA and maybe they will have the smarts to tip for you that trip. I would rather pay for their tips for the trip instead of stiffing the driver. The saying has always been "you dont tip for that ride, you tip for the next," and I believe that is true.
These van drivers have to listen to pilots B and complain every ride about their job, their pay, their "15 days off"...heck, they really deserve $2 a pilot.
Its $6 over a 4 day trip. No excuse to not tip. If the $1 is going to cause the house to be foreclosed and the kids to starve, tell the CA and maybe they will have the smarts to tip for you that trip. I would rather pay for their tips for the trip instead of stiffing the driver. The saying has always been "you dont tip for that ride, you tip for the next," and I believe that is true.
These van drivers have to listen to pilots B and complain every ride about their job, their pay, their "15 days off"...heck, they really deserve $2 a pilot.
04-04-2017, 11:41 AM
#809
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I am probably thinking of two different things but, I thought we had 1B-800M in the bank, no?
Among the airlines in our analysis, Delta Air Lines (DAL) generated the highest free cash flow (or FCF) of ~$3.8 billion in 4Q16. United Continental (UAL) followed with free cash flows of ~$2.3 billion, and Southwest Airlines (LUV) posted free cash flows of ~$2.1 billion.
In 4Q16, American Airlines (AAL) had free cash flows of $793 million, Alaska Air Group (ALK) had FCF of $708 million, and JetBlue Airways (JBLU) had free cash flows of $621 million.
Spirit Airlines (SAVE) was the only airline with negative FCF in 4Q16, reaching -$67.4 million. SAVE had negative free cash flows throughout 2015, but its FCF had turned positive in 1H16. Spirit Airlines’s free cash flows whipsawed because the airline is still in its growth phase, which requires significant investment in the business.
url=http://marketrealist.com/2017/03/looking-at-airlines-free-cash-flows-in-4q16/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=feed]Looking at Airlines' Free Cash Flows in 4Q16 - Market Realist[/url]
Among the airlines in our analysis, Delta Air Lines (DAL) generated the highest free cash flow (or FCF) of ~$3.8 billion in 4Q16. United Continental (UAL) followed with free cash flows of ~$2.3 billion, and Southwest Airlines (LUV) posted free cash flows of ~$2.1 billion.
In 4Q16, American Airlines (AAL) had free cash flows of $793 million, Alaska Air Group (ALK) had FCF of $708 million, and JetBlue Airways (JBLU) had free cash flows of $621 million.
Spirit Airlines (SAVE) was the only airline with negative FCF in 4Q16, reaching -$67.4 million. SAVE had negative free cash flows throughout 2015, but its FCF had turned positive in 1H16. Spirit Airlines’s free cash flows whipsawed because the airline is still in its growth phase, which requires significant investment in the business.
url=http://marketrealist.com/2017/03/looking-at-airlines-free-cash-flows-in-4q16/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=feed]Looking at Airlines' Free Cash Flows in 4Q16 - Market Realist[/url]
04-04-2017, 01:20 PM
#810
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Originally Posted by OnMyWay
I am probably thinking of two different things but, I thought we had 1B-800M in the bank, no?
Among the airlines in our analysis, Delta Air Lines (DAL) generated the highest free cash flow (or FCF) of ~$3.8 billion in 4Q16. United Continental (UAL) followed with free cash flows of ~$2.3 billion, and Southwest Airlines (LUV) posted free cash flows of ~$2.1 billion.
In 4Q16, American Airlines (AAL) had free cash flows of $793 million, Alaska Air Group (ALK) had FCF of $708 million, and JetBlue Airways (JBLU) had free cash flows of $621 million.
Spirit Airlines (SAVE) was the only airline with negative FCF in 4Q16, reaching -$67.4 million. SAVE had negative free cash flows throughout 2015, but its FCF had turned positive in 1H16. Spirit Airlines’s free cash flows whipsawed because the airline is still in its growth phase, which requires significant investment in the business.
url=http://marketrealist.com/2017/03/looking-at-airlines-free-cash-flows-in-4q16/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=feed]Looking at Airlines' Free Cash Flows in 4Q16 - Market Realist[/url]
Among the airlines in our analysis, Delta Air Lines (DAL) generated the highest free cash flow (or FCF) of ~$3.8 billion in 4Q16. United Continental (UAL) followed with free cash flows of ~$2.3 billion, and Southwest Airlines (LUV) posted free cash flows of ~$2.1 billion.
In 4Q16, American Airlines (AAL) had free cash flows of $793 million, Alaska Air Group (ALK) had FCF of $708 million, and JetBlue Airways (JBLU) had free cash flows of $621 million.
Spirit Airlines (SAVE) was the only airline with negative FCF in 4Q16, reaching -$67.4 million. SAVE had negative free cash flows throughout 2015, but its FCF had turned positive in 1H16. Spirit Airlines’s free cash flows whipsawed because the airline is still in its growth phase, which requires significant investment in the business.
url=http://marketrealist.com/2017/03/looking-at-airlines-free-cash-flows-in-4q16/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=feed]Looking at Airlines' Free Cash Flows in 4Q16 - Market Realist[/url]
Spirit ended 2016 with $700M in Cash and Cash Equivalents, down from $800M in 2015...They did buy back $100M in stock. If you want to add the short term investment securities in, Spirit ended with $800M in 2016
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