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03-21-2020, 10:26 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by jcool734
It’s more like they are about to hang them to dry
Apollo has made it clear, their policy is to NEVER support a failing business. They cut losses instantly if they need to.
If they foresee us dying, they will shut down the airline, liquidate all assets, and fire every employee.
We don’t get to ask daddy for help on this one.
We need to solve the current crisis as a group. We’re all in this together, and we’ve all got to be prepared for tough times ahead, in order to survive.
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Apollo has made it clear, their policy is to NEVER support a failing business. They cut losses instantly if they need to.
If they foresee us dying, they will shut down the airline, liquidate all assets, and fire every employee.
We don’t get to ask daddy for help on this one.
We need to solve the current crisis as a group. We’re all in this together, and we’ve all got to be prepared for tough times ahead, in order to survive.
That’s from Sun Country. Email was sent out.
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It’s a big stimulus they are negotiating in Washington. Trump even said in his press conference today that the economy was great before this and it will pop right back after. He said this is a huge stimulus that will basically compensate people not to work while this virus runs its course.
This is nothing we have seen before and the government wants to do the right thing so businesses can bounce back on their feet quickly. We should see what those details are before we agree to pay cuts. Just my opinion and I’m not saying I’m right. I totally feel at a point in time labor providing cuts may be necessary but as of Friday and this weekend I think we are in limbo waiting to see the government help and it’s terms.
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03-21-2020, 10:29 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Onedayatatimee
I don’t disagree with you that it may need to be saved by all labor groups including management at some point. I just personally feel we need to wait for more facts and give this time to breath before we give them the farm.
It’s a big stimulus they are negotiating in Washington. Trump even said in his press conference today that the economy was great before this and it will pop right back after. He said this is a huge stimulus that will basically compensate people not to work while this virus runs its course.
This is nothing we have scene before and the government wants to do the right thing so businesses can bounce back on their feet quickly. We should see what those details are before we agree to pay cuts. Just my opinion and I’m not saying I’m right. I totally feel at a point in time labor providing cuts may be necessary but as of Friday and this weekend I think we are in limbo waiting to see the government help and it’s terms.
It’s a big stimulus they are negotiating in Washington. Trump even said in his press conference today that the economy was great before this and it will pop right back after. He said this is a huge stimulus that will basically compensate people not to work while this virus runs its course.
This is nothing we have scene before and the government wants to do the right thing so businesses can bounce back on their feet quickly. We should see what those details are before we agree to pay cuts. Just my opinion and I’m not saying I’m right. I totally feel at a point in time labor providing cuts may be necessary but as of Friday and this weekend I think we are in limbo waiting to see the government help and it’s terms.
Stimulus is only for majors
Many at the regionals that I knwo have said the majors made it clear the bail out is for the majors which is terrifying
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03-21-2020, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jcool734
Stimulus is only for majors
Many at the regionals that I knwo have said the majors made it clear the bail out is for the majors which is terrifying
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Many at the regionals that I knwo have said the majors made it clear the bail out is for the majors which is terrifying
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We will find out probably Monday or Tuesday if that’s true regarding no stimulus for Sun Country.
I would like to think our senators in MN are working on it. At least 1000 good paying jobs in MN they hate to see go away.
The company has been successful enough the last two years to have a slush fund saved up to get through the next two months. Where ever that money is hiding it’s out there somewhere not the pilots job to find it.
The best plan for Sunny (in my opinion) is to park the passenger side for 30-60days and go from there. While the passenger side is idle the Amazon flying will start winding up. If management needs to furlough during those 30-60days then they can do that.
03-21-2020, 10:53 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Onedayatatimee
We will find out probably Monday or Tuesday if that’s true regarding no stimulus for Sun Country.
I would like to think our senators in MN are working on it. At least 1000 good paying jobs in MN they hate to see go away.
The company has been successful enough the last two years to have a slush fund saved up to get through the next two months. Where ever that money is hiding it’s out there somewhere not the pilots job to find it.
The best plan for Sunny (in my opinion) is to park the passenger side for 30-60days and go from there. While the passenger side is idle the Amazon flying will start winding up. If management needs to furlough during those 30-60days then they can do that.
I would like to think our senators in MN are working on it. At least 1000 good paying jobs in MN they hate to see go away.
The company has been successful enough the last two years to have a slush fund saved up to get through the next two months. Where ever that money is hiding it’s out there somewhere not the pilots job to find it.
The best plan for Sunny (in my opinion) is to park the passenger side for 30-60days and go from there. While the passenger side is idle the Amazon flying will start winding up. If management needs to furlough during those 30-60days then they can do that.
Makes sense. Supposedly the package is suppose to be ready tonight. I’m elating for our industry. This is terrifying!
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03-21-2020, 10:57 AM
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The proposed senate version of the bill is posted online. The airline section is not that long. It says nothing about major vs regional. But it also doesn’t say anything about grants....only secured loans.
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03-21-2020, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainSlow
The proposed senate version of the bill is posted online. The airline section is not that long. It says nothing about major vs regional. But it also doesn’t say anything about grants....only secured loans.
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When trump talks about it he only talks about the majors. But the regionals are the workforce and they flourished after 08. They kept the majors alive so they need to be included
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03-21-2020, 11:03 AM
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I don’t see anything that excludes the regionals. From inside the company, it sounds like the funds would be divided by ASM across the industry. I can’t find anywhere that says that on public forum or that says over what period, however. The senate version also has limits to executive compensation for 2 years if the company accepts assistance. I didn’t see anything about labor protections, which is what the House is balking at. Hopefully that gets fixed in their version or conference committee. I’ll post the link to the bill when I find it again.
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03-21-2020, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainSlow
I don’t see anything that excludes the regionals. From inside the company, it sounds like the funds would be divided by ASM across the industry. I can’t find anywhere that says that on public forum or that says over what period, however. The senate version also has limits to executive compensation for 2 years if the company accepts assistance. I didn’t see anything about labor protections, which is what the House is balking at. Hopefully that gets fixed in their version or conference committee. I’ll post the link to the bill when I find it again.
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Well Apollo has said they can’t ask for help so that makes me believe that they arnt part of the bail out
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03-21-2020, 11:12 AM
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Here is the senate version of the bill. Page 84 is where the industry part starts:
https://www.republicanleader.senate....Mar%202020.pdf
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