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Old 10-25-2012, 12:19 PM
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One of the biggest challenges of advancing into bigger equipment is learning new systems. Let's build a thread where we can share tips so that we'll know our airplanes as well as we wish we knew Gemma Atkinson's body (personal preference )

EMB-120 school was months ago, but these things seemed to help:

1) Start with general information and limitations, then get into the tough stuff.
2) Look over the systems diagrams. Think about the big picture - what's really going on - and draw your own diagrams that simplify the information
3) After you learn how the systems work when everything is going as planned, go back through a few times and ask yourself what happens if a certain component malfunctions. This is the really important stuff that will be tested on the checkride
4) Learn what will trigger each annunciator

That's all I can think of for now, feel free to contribute!
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:17 PM
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Think of yourself giving a class on systems. Consider how you would present it and explain different aspects to people that are not familiar with it. Draw diagrams and give a lecture on it to an imaginary audience.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:38 PM
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I have to read each system chapter 8 to 10 times to really get a grasp on what's going on. Especially where things are moving around. Hydraulics, fuel, pneumatics.
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Old 11-08-2012, 01:38 PM
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Get a note card app for whatever phone/tablet you have!
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:30 AM
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Study groups are usually a must for me. Always helps to have someone who is upgrading on that plane that has flown it for years, if they are friendly enough to help with questions after class. I usually go through the limitations chapter at least once a day. After a day or two, I'll add any memory items the plane has.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:42 AM
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Make simplified pencil diagrams for each system, and learn what they have in them and how things connect. It takes some effort, but draw and redraw the system in question until you can do it from memory without looking at the key. Do it not so much from rote memory as a sense of how this component supports that component, and that component affects the other. A purpose- driven view is what you are after and will remain with you the longest. Once you master one system go onto the next one until you master them all. It helps to make sure you have a good simplified drawing to start with, and if the school does not provide one, then run your pencil item by an expert and make sure you have the correct scheme. Most official manuals give diagrams that are overdone for pilots, and can be simplified quite a bit without losing the essential meaning. You will be amazed how fast you become and expert on the various systems this way, maybe an hour or two each system should be enough for basic turbine aircraft.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:07 AM
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Notecards, notecards, notecards!
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:28 PM
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funny you mention E120 school... I went thru E120 in 1996 with ASA thru FSI's program and I recall they wanted to more or less build that airplane. The props of course, the flaps, and other systems on it were a bit complex for the size/complexity of the plane... I've since typed on several jets, including 3-man 747 which was extremely complex if you wanted to make it so (learning it at FE level).. yet oddly I still recall the E120 course being the most daunting.

Anyway, what works best for me is listen to a good ground instructor, and read the FCOM's on the relevant subject. I've found over the years that everyone learns differently... some better with flash cards, others better with reading their own lengthy hand written notes... whatever works for you is what works best.

As an aside, when I typed on the a320 I bought a booklet from Avsoft which was invaluable... I've since gotten an a330 version for my next type rating.. I highly recommend the avsoft books.
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Old 12-12-2012, 03:59 AM
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Making notes and/or diagrams is key. When you write/type/draw something it sticks in your brain exponentially better than simply reading it. Even if you don't use the notecards, simply making them will help (though actually using them helps more).
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I know for 1900 ground I felt like we were going to be astronauts in systems. Even when I went through aircraft mechanic school we never went crazy in depth. Group quizzing was perfect with a few beers. Flash cards were also great for solo study and kept them for recurrent as well.

Knowing the background between annunciators that are master warning and caution are a must. Definitely makes oral prep easier.
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