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01-17-2008 | 08:18 AM
#101
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This is the last I'll say on this subject. Take it how you want.
I certainly can't speak with any authority on the current state of affairs at TSA. Most of the people I knew over there have left for another company (whether through furlough or of their own doing), and I certainly don't put much faith in what I read on these boards. My decision to leave TSA was based on what life was like when I left (which, by the way, was before a lot of you were hired there). Lots of things have changed since I turned in my resignation (including the upgrade mins).
Sure, I'd rather be collecting a CA's paycheck. Anybody who says they enjoy living on a first-year FO's salary (I'm in year two of that) is pulling your chain. If I were willing to plan my career on getting 1000 TPIC and getting out, I probably would have stayed at TSA. However, I'm not going to do that. I plan on being at a regional for at least five or six years, and I'd rather do that at CHQ than at TSA. I only gave up seven months of seniority when I left TSA, and that will be more than made up over the next four years.
I really do hope you guys upgrade at 1 year, get your 1000 PIC, and get out. I may think you're making a bad move, but that doesn't mean I hope you get hosed. I certainly don't harbor any ill will towards TSA. I liked the crews I flew with, and I learned how to really fly the Jungle Jet.
My only other piece of advice is to call in sick if you ever have to fly with FlyNavy. I heard he likes to do coupled approaches.
I certainly can't speak with any authority on the current state of affairs at TSA. Most of the people I knew over there have left for another company (whether through furlough or of their own doing), and I certainly don't put much faith in what I read on these boards. My decision to leave TSA was based on what life was like when I left (which, by the way, was before a lot of you were hired there). Lots of things have changed since I turned in my resignation (including the upgrade mins).
Sure, I'd rather be collecting a CA's paycheck. Anybody who says they enjoy living on a first-year FO's salary (I'm in year two of that) is pulling your chain. If I were willing to plan my career on getting 1000 TPIC and getting out, I probably would have stayed at TSA. However, I'm not going to do that. I plan on being at a regional for at least five or six years, and I'd rather do that at CHQ than at TSA. I only gave up seven months of seniority when I left TSA, and that will be more than made up over the next four years.
I really do hope you guys upgrade at 1 year, get your 1000 PIC, and get out. I may think you're making a bad move, but that doesn't mean I hope you get hosed. I certainly don't harbor any ill will towards TSA. I liked the crews I flew with, and I learned how to really fly the Jungle Jet.
My only other piece of advice is to call in sick if you ever have to fly with FlyNavy. I heard he likes to do coupled approaches.
01-17-2008 | 09:51 AM
#102
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For those thinking FO's are leaving, I have only moved up 8-9 spots per month for the last few months, and that was because that was how many FO's were upgrading that month. Only a handful at the most of FO's have left in the last several months.
01-17-2008 | 10:15 AM
#103
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Thanks for good numbers...!
01-17-2008 | 10:24 AM
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Commuting from ORD is possible. There are quite a few here that do it. We have hourly flights both ways on the UAL side. AA has a ton of flights too. Commuting to/from ORD can be a nightmare though. A canary farts and there's a two hour delay. TSA has no commuter clause. You may want to think about MDW too.
The training here is very hard. Lots of info, really fast with no additional resources and nobody gives a **** if you get it or not. As far as difficulty, all of it. Especially if you're going from that PA-28 to a jet. There's a little bit of a learning curve and 8 sim sessions are all you have.
Recent upgrades have been here about a year. However there is no growth, and all upgrades have been for attrition. Lots of guys in the SWA pool and going to JetBlue and Continental. However none of them are hiring nearly as many in 08 and you have a ton of guys in the left seat without much PIC. It will not stay that low. We're very fat on captains right now due to expected attrition. However that, and the fact that a bunch of US flying has been cut in RIC make me think that if you're in the lower half of seniority you will be in the right seat for quite a while.
I don't know how low the time is for interviews. We're well staffed right now so they will probably have higher standards.
Do yourself a favor, instruct, gain experience and go somewhere better in a year.
The training here is very hard. Lots of info, really fast with no additional resources and nobody gives a **** if you get it or not. As far as difficulty, all of it. Especially if you're going from that PA-28 to a jet. There's a little bit of a learning curve and 8 sim sessions are all you have.
Recent upgrades have been here about a year. However there is no growth, and all upgrades have been for attrition. Lots of guys in the SWA pool and going to JetBlue and Continental. However none of them are hiring nearly as many in 08 and you have a ton of guys in the left seat without much PIC. It will not stay that low. We're very fat on captains right now due to expected attrition. However that, and the fact that a bunch of US flying has been cut in RIC make me think that if you're in the lower half of seniority you will be in the right seat for quite a while.
I don't know how low the time is for interviews. We're well staffed right now so they will probably have higher standards.
Do yourself a favor, instruct, gain experience and go somewhere better in a year.
Canary farts? Did anyone tell the FAA that is the basis of all their system woes?
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01-17-2008 | 07:52 PM
#106
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From: Q400 survivor
pilot projects is a good one. spent about 7 months there with TSA. little expensive compared to others, bit you'll never hot rack or have 4 roommates
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01-17-2008 | 09:49 PM
#107
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im in the middle of training right now, just finishing up systems at another regional. i was thinking about going to eagle or tsa then jumping to skywest but im glad i went with asa. theres now way in he!! i want to go through another training program anytime soon, no way, no how, not for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time. (period). no way.
the thought of it sends chills down my spine.
the thought of it sends chills down my spine.
01-17-2008 | 10:02 PM
#108
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From: Up Front.
I haven't been here long but only one person out of the Dec class and the Jan class combined has washed out. If your willing to work and study hard training shouldn't be a problem,......unless you are positive, focused, self-disciplined, motivated etc. I wouldn't apply. They told us that they were not going to lower the bar to 'get us through'. There are a few guys on APC that don't know what the hell they're talking about. If anyone wants unbiased info PM me.
01-17-2008 | 11:37 PM
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that's actually something i've seen on this board in the past 6 mos. People like him, and Toiletduck for SURE are people who are like "listen man, i just finished IOE 3 mos ago, i've been around the regionals for a while, and MY AIRLINE IS THE WAY TO GO!"
TSA is really bottom of the barrel on work rules, no doubt. But it's not as bad as Mesa or Go Jets.
And as much as I love skywest, they voted out ALPA to help management, and as thanks, they're getting an .11 pay raise. Seriously? Management is always out to help themselves the most.
Go to ANY REGIONAL you can get the FASTEST UPGRADE.
Unless you wanna become a lifer, then go to Skywest or Chataqua
TSA is really bottom of the barrel on work rules, no doubt. But it's not as bad as Mesa or Go Jets.
And as much as I love skywest, they voted out ALPA to help management, and as thanks, they're getting an .11 pay raise. Seriously? Management is always out to help themselves the most.
Go to ANY REGIONAL you can get the FASTEST UPGRADE.
Unless you wanna become a lifer, then go to Skywest or Chataqua
01-18-2008 | 09:11 AM
#110
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From: Powered parachute, left seat
that's actually something i've seen on this board in the past 6 mos. People like him, and Toiletduck for SURE are people who are like "listen man, i just finished IOE 3 mos ago, i've been around the regionals for a while, and MY AIRLINE IS THE WAY TO GO!"
TSA is really bottom of the barrel on work rules, no doubt. But it's not as bad as Mesa or Go Jets.
And as much as I love skywest, they voted out ALPA to help management, and as thanks, they're getting an .11 pay raise. Seriously? Management is always out to help themselves the most.
Go to ANY REGIONAL you can get the FASTEST UPGRADE.
Unless you wanna become a lifer, then go to Skywest or Chataqua
TSA is really bottom of the barrel on work rules, no doubt. But it's not as bad as Mesa or Go Jets.
And as much as I love skywest, they voted out ALPA to help management, and as thanks, they're getting an .11 pay raise. Seriously? Management is always out to help themselves the most.
Go to ANY REGIONAL you can get the FASTEST UPGRADE.
Unless you wanna become a lifer, then go to Skywest or Chataqua
not everyone at Skywest or Chautauqua wants to be lifer, there are some, but our attrition at CHQ is a steady 20-30 a month! Like POPA said, and i have said on other posts, just cause you get that coveted 1000 Turbine PIC doesnt mean your going to be in the next class at the major of your choice! You never know whats going to happen in this industry and you might get "stuck" at a regional for 5-10 years. Might as well be relatively stable company, i know that when i upgrade and get some PIC time i wont be taking the first job that comes along. So i might be at a regional for a while waiting. Im glad to be based at home with a "good" company. I do agree with you that skywests pay increase is a slap in the face! They have a jillion dollars in the bank! Come on!!!
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