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Old 06-13-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Not illegal according to RLA, unless TSA in contract talks. If in talks, no one (including company) are allowed to change "status quo".
we've been in contract talks for about 2 years already.

let's just say we have negative reserve coverage in Richmond and we downgraded 11 captains in each domicile
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Old 06-13-2008 | 06:01 PM
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You can not be forced to pick up VOLUNTARY overtime. It does not matter what the statistical staus quo was, or is. You are free to obtain a side job instead of working open time, or your financial situation may have changed and you no longer need to work as much open time.
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Old 06-13-2008 | 06:23 PM
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Guys, fly the contract. Nothing more, nothing less.

You'd think they learned their lesson in 2006. Apparently two years is a little too long for these morons.
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Old 06-13-2008 | 06:33 PM
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Hope it bites 'em where it hurts...
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Old 06-13-2008 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
You can not be forced to pick up VOLUNTARY overtime. It does not matter what the statistical staus quo was, or is. You are free to obtain a side job instead of working open time, or your financial situation may have changed and you no longer need to work as much open time.
The RLA problem comes in when the union organizes an effort to not perform voluntary overtime. Individuals can do as they please, but the collective bargaining unit can't organize an effort against the status quo.
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Old 06-13-2008 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOak
ALPA: You just got furloughed, what are you going to do now?

Furloughed guy: "I'm Fuggin going to Six Flags, Btch! WOOoo"
I'll have to remember that when I get the f-call.
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Old 06-13-2008 | 08:52 PM
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Open time? You're kidding me. Hell, most of the time I don't even get to fly what's on my schedule..
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Old 06-14-2008 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by cbire880
The RLA problem comes in when the union organizes an effort to not perform voluntary overtime. Individuals can do as they please, but the collective bargaining unit can't organize an effort against the status quo.

Agreed to a point. The union can not "ORGANIZE" a JOB ACTION. That being said, there is nothing that says a union can not email, snail mail, or communicate with their members reminding them that open time is volutary. This in fact happens fairly often.

The company knows that when push comes to shove, if it ever ended up in front of a judge, the primary issues are such that the company can not win. But, they can make the union spend a ton of money defending against a claim.
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Old 06-15-2008 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
Agreed to a point. The union can not "ORGANIZE" a JOB ACTION. That being said, there is nothing that says a union can not email, snail mail, or communicate with their members reminding them that open time is volutary. This in fact happens fairly often.

The company knows that when push comes to shove, if it ever ended up in front of a judge, the primary issues are such that the company can not win. But, they can make the union spend a ton of money defending against a claim.
Not entirely correct...

In the past, unions have been held legally liable for ANY "job action"...whether it is a strike, slowdown, sick-out, work-to-rules, etc. APA ended up owing AA managemnet millions over something like this

Basically, any change in established labor behavior which negatively impacts manegement and can be shown to have been organized in any fashion, by anyone, will be blamed on the union.

Basically the union is held responsible for not only not instigating illegal actions, but also for PREVENTING them.

A union could get off the hook if it can show that it did not instigate the action, and tried to stop it (by warning members). But it is almost guilty until proven innocent in these cases because it is assumed that it DOES control it's members actions in any labor context.

This is why unions are generally down on unofficial actions.

Now if everbody just decides not to pick up open time, that's great as long as the company can't dig up an email campaign, or other organizing effort. Even a posting on APC or FI would count as organization.

This is your United States Railway Labor Act in action...
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Old 06-15-2008 | 02:12 PM
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Umm, what airline were we talking 'bout again? I can think of three in the same situation.
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