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idlethrust 11-24-2014 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by supercub70 (Post 1769842)
Over the past couple months you've been saying AWAC is all but finished and now you're saying they may get 900's? I don't think your past Intel was very solid so excuse me for not paying much attention to your latest info.

I still think Awac is in for a shaky ride.If airways dosent extend the 200 flying they will be reduced to just the 26 delta planes.There are 71 planes that hang in the balance there.Im glad to see that something good is happening for Awac finally but with the way delta Plays musical chairs with its flying I'd be cautious to say the least.Just ask anyone at Xjt or endeavor. Enjoy your ride there, wait it out and see what transpires.
And as far as sources go, we all have sources for information and just like everthing else , some are better than others as we all know.

pitchtrim 11-24-2014 08:10 AM

I've always been under the impression awac will extend the contract as long as they want to stay in business, which as of this week is another 6 years minimum. The 900s would have come here from endeavor had they liquidated during their bankruptcy vote. Perhaps if endeavor can't staff them they still will but that's purely speculation at this point.

l2flare 11-24-2014 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 1769972)
I still think Awac is in for a shaky ride.If airways dosent extend the 200 flying they will be reduced to just the 26 delta planes.There are 71 planes that hang in the balance there.Im glad to see that something good is happening for Awac finally but with the way delta Plays musical chairs with its flying I'd be cautious to say the least.Just ask anyone at Xjt or endeavor. Enjoy your ride there, wait it out and see what transpires.
And as far as sources go, we all have sources for information and just like everthing else , some are better than others as we all know.

Obv the fleet increase from 71-97 doesn't matter if we shrink to 26 a year from now. However, what the Delta deal shows, at least for me is that the big six (Awac's owners) are interested in continuing on in the airline business for at least the next 6 years.

The real sword of Damocles was that the lack of news was an indication that they just wanted to pack all their money and move on, and this really removes that as a threat.

Could we lose all airways flying at the end of next year? maybe, but i think its highly unlikely that they have 0 plan in place for 71 rjs.

TLDR; If snow white and the six dwarfs want to keep flying they probably know a way to do it.

Ps- some of the posts in this thread have confirmed that yes, crack is indeed whack.

BoilerUP 11-24-2014 08:16 AM

I thought an extension of the 71 200s beyond 2015 was at the option of AWAC, not AAG...?

l2flare 11-24-2014 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1770112)
I thought an extension of the 71 200s beyond 2015 was at the option of AWAC, not AAG...?

supposedly this is the case. However it has never been stated by an official source, just repeated on several occasions by higher ups. Also the terms of the extension and the number of a/c are complete unknowns.

BE19Pilot 11-24-2014 09:32 AM

The timing of any CRJ-900 flying at AWAC will likely be coincident with a contract negotiation process. Unfortunately, they will be the next group on the 12/4 chopping block...

saab2000 11-24-2014 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1770112)
I thought an extension of the 71 200s beyond 2015 was at the option of AWAC, not AAG...?

I believe this to be correct, at least for two years, assuming performance metrics are met. And AFAIK, they have been met.

I don't think US Airways/AA can easily replace the lift that AWAC provides without reducing frequency and possibly bringing some of the flying back in-house. This doesn't only apply to AWAC. It would, of course apply to all contract carriers. They're no longer as expendable as they were 5 or 6 years ago. There will be some casualties. We've seen that with Comair, but I don't think they can do that indefinitely.

This will slowly become an industry-wide issue.

AWAC is staffing OK now but it's uncertain how long that will remain the case. There are still more pilots retiring across the industry than the FAA is issuing new certificates.

tom11011 11-24-2014 01:32 PM

It's a shell game right now. A year from now none of this will matter. A few regionals will have closed up shop but the pilot group as a whole will be better off. 2015 will welcome over 1000 new pilots to the major leagues.

nuball5 11-25-2014 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 1769972)
Im glad to see that something good is happening for Awac finally


That's quite the change from a few months ago when you thought AWAC was going out of business and you seemed very happy about it.:rolleyes:

Silver02ex 11-25-2014 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 1769600)
From what my friend at Endeavor told me is that if they can't staff the 81 crj 900s properly some of it will probably be dealt to Awac as well if the 200 flying goes well . Endeavor is having a very difficult time staffing right now I guess.

I doubt AW will see any 900's from Endeavor. The only reason we can't staff our airplane right now is because FO's are leaving for PSA and Compass. Once those 2 company get the pilots they need. The amount of FO's leaving will slow down. I have no doubt that we will be able to staff the 81 airplanes.


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