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idlethrust 11-23-2014 10:20 AM

Trans States And Awac
 
Trans states is adding 36 aircraft for united and 15 more for AA?? Awac is adding 26 more for delta with the possibility of additional crj 900 flying in the near future?
Wow.How quickly things change.I know these planes are being added at the expense of envoy and Xjt pilots and I wish the best for them.Awac is one of the highest cost operators out there , but they were able to get a deal with delta , and everyone knows delta wants rock bottom contracts with their regional carriers.Dont know how they did it but they pulled a rabbit out of the hat in the 13th hour.Still no word on the extension or lack there of with the airways flying. I've noticed that none of airways crj200 s are being repainted. None of Awac or Psa 200s are being repainted so something is going on there with those .Ive heard rumors of Psa 200s being transfered to peidmont soon.Trans states, Mesa, Psa,Awac , Or compass seems to be the only ones growing and with alot of movement in the near future.If you live near one of their bases get in now . Xjt , Envoy are better companies with better contracts but along with endeavor, alot of uncertainty is on the horizon.

tom11011 11-23-2014 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 1769570)
Awac is one of the highest cost operators out there , but they were able to get a deal with delta , and everyone knows delta wants rock bottom contracts with their regional carriers.Dont know how they did it but they pulled a rabbit out of the hat in the 13th hour.

My guess would be when you average out the total cost of labor after adding a bunch of new hire FO's and then relatively new junior captains, it must give them a labor cost structure they can live with.

HobGoblin 11-23-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by idlethrust (Post 1769570)
Trans states is adding 36 aircraft for united and 15 more for AA?? Awac is adding 26 more for delta with the possibility of additional crj 900 flying in the near future?
Wow.How quickly things change.I know these planes are being added at the expense of envoy and Xjt pilots and I wish the best for them.Awac is one of the highest cost operators out there , but they were able to get a deal with delta , and everyone knows delta wants rock bottom contracts with their regional carriers.Dont know how they did it but they pulled a rabbit out of the hat in the 13th hour.Still no word on the extension or lack there of with the airways flying. I've noticed that none of airways crj200 s are being repainted. None of Awac or Psa 200s are being repainted so something is going on there with those .Ive heard rumors of Psa 200s being transfered to peidmont soon.Trans states, Mesa, Psa,Awac , Or compass seems to be the only ones growing and with alot of movement in the near future.If you live near one of their bases get in now . Xjt , Envoy are better companies with better contracts but along with endeavor, alot of uncertainty is on the horizon.


When/where did this AWAC CRJ 900 flying rumor come about? I've yet to hear that. All I know is the crj200 flying for us airways lease expires in 2015, with the option to extend it.

c250ft 11-23-2014 10:45 AM

Does this mean we should avoid working for AWAC now too since they are taking planes from other companies. I just want to make sure I can hold my head up high for whoever I go to work for.

idlethrust 11-23-2014 11:04 AM

From what my friend at Endeavor told me is that if they can't staff the 81 crj 900s properly some of it will probably be dealt to Awac as well if the 200 flying goes well . Endeavor is having a very difficult time staffing right now I guess.

Nevets 11-23-2014 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by c250ft (Post 1769591)
Does this mean we should avoid working for AWAC now too since they are taking planes from other companies. I just want to make sure I can hold my head up high for whoever I go to work for.


AWAC has an industry leading contract along with XJT. No shame there.

SevereClear1 11-23-2014 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by c250ft (Post 1769591)
Does this mean we should avoid working for AWAC now too since they are taking planes from other companies. I just want to make sure I can hold my head up high for whoever I go to work for.


The key is AWAC is not stealing planes as much as they are postponing their mothballing, Delta already said they want to bring endeavor to an all 900 fleet and 81 planes they are just giving the planes to someone else while they can still be profitable. 9e was going to lose the planes regardless


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lakehouse 11-23-2014 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by c250ft (Post 1769591)
Does this mean we should avoid working for AWAC now too since they are taking planes from other companies. I just want to make sure I can hold my head up high for whoever I go to work for.

Considering they didn't take a concessionary contract for airplanes during an industry wide stand, and trample the industry, like a p airline or two....I think the awac guys are still loved. Airwilly guys also told management no concessionary contract last year.

gloopy 11-23-2014 12:28 PM

This looks suspiciously like check kiting though. Legacy airlines are busy scrambling to hire eachother's regional providers because their own can't get it done, while the others hire theirs. Meanwhile on paper the growth from reshuffling when the contracts are signed makes the projected costs look great so the legacies think they are solving their problems when they are really just making it worse long term lol

TeamRamRod 11-23-2014 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1769647)
Considering they didn't take a concessionary contract for airplanes during an industry wide stand, and trample the industry, like a p airline or two....I think the awac guys are still loved. Airwilly guys also told management no concessionary contract last year.

Trans States didn't take concessions either. G7 was formed by that pilot group refusing them in '07 as well. May not be an 'industry leading' contract per some people's definition but its more than bearable.


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