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Old 06-08-2017, 05:18 AM   #11
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If unions are to survive, the ONLY way they will is if they are willing to accept accessment from outside and revise their business model. That will be when pigs fly, because the money is where their power is. Managing principles is where the power is. NOT THE MONEY.
"Money is where their power is" because it's where everyone's power is. Try to hire using organizing principles as a compensation basis, you'll be in charge of exactly one guy. What is your union selling? Is it making good on that arrangement? How membership "manages" those perceptions, for themselves, will greatly determine the effectiveness of and satisfaction with, any bargaining in progress. Repealing agency shop fee statutes means less money. Less money is less power, every time.
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I do have one question however, lets say you were allowed as a non member to not pay dues... thus in my opinion you should NOT be allowed any of the benefits negotiated under your companies CBA...
For one thing, non-members don't pay dues. They pay a contract agency fee which is generally slightly less than the dues members pay.

Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.
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For one thing, non-members don't pay dues. They pay a contract agency fee which is generally slightly less than the dues members pay.

Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.

Suppose Company A offered employment to Pilot P at one of two payrates. He could work as a non-union pilot for X dollars, or he could join the union and earn (1.1 * X) dollars and pay 1.9% dues on X + 10% dollars. Anybody with a basic calculator can do the math and see Pilot P would come out ahead by paying the dues on 110% of the first offer.


What most people seem to miss is that without collective bargaining, we'd ALL be working for 10% or more less than current wages. They fail to appreciate the gains that have been clawed out over years of blood, sweat, and tears.

They say ignorance is bliss, and freeloaders must be floating in it.






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Old 06-11-2017, 12:45 PM   #14
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For one thing, non-members don't pay dues. They pay a contract agency fee which is generally slightly less than the dues members pay.

Why? Because, as you pointed out, they derive all the pay and benefits from the Union negotiated contract. Therefore, they must share the expense of maintaining said contract.
No kidding Genius... my question was hypothetical... presuming that an employee could choose NOT to be a member and not pay the shop agency fee.....
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Unions protect us from the company, sometimes from each other, and sometimes from ourselves. Freeloaders fall into all of those categories many times.

Route66 would have us believe the choice is getting our current contractual package and paying dues, or our current contractual package and not paying dues. That's wrong.

The choice is between protection (admittedly sometimes flawed) and (almost) no protection. We'd be "at will" employees trying to negotiate individual contracts, and that has never worked out well for the vast majority of labor. The powers behind the RTW movement are the new Frank Lorenzo's of the world. Read "Flying the Line" 1 & 2. They're good reminders of where we've been, and how we got where we are today.
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