Dear ANTI-UNION pilots, you're welcome...
09-25-2007, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SharkAir
It's too bad Bush will probably veto this...
09-25-2007, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by WorkinStiff
After 25 years in this business, I'm a big believer that if you don't have a union, you will get screwed eventually. Hell, Southwest pilots are treated better by management than any other pilot group out there and they are represented by ALPA. They are not stupid, they know it could change at any time.
Southwest pilots repped by SWAPA. And it is the company's philosophy that makes Southwest the labor friendly environment it is. Southwest's philosophy is take care of your people and they will take care of the customers which will result in a profitable company which takes care of the shareholders.
An attitude that is diametrically opposed to that of the other major airlines. Take a philosophy that the shareholders are the most important and you wind up with employees who are merely a cost to be minimized.
09-25-2007, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by WorkinStiff
Hell, Southwest pilots are treated better by management than any other pilot group out there and they are represented by ALPA. They are not stupid, they know it could change at any time.
No, Southwest is not, and to my knowledge, has never been represented by ALPA
09-25-2007, 10:44 AM
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Yeah, Southwest is in-house. However, they ARE union, a real union, just in-house. It's not like Skywest's bogus management funded pseudo-union. Also, they purchase services from ALPA which they are not able to provide themselves, due to their smaller size.
Southwest places employees #1, customers #2, and shareholders #3. They know that those priorities end up making everyone happy, or at least satisfied. If only the other management teams would wake up and grow some brain cells.
Southwest places employees #1, customers #2, and shareholders #3. They know that those priorities end up making everyone happy, or at least satisfied. If only the other management teams would wake up and grow some brain cells.
09-25-2007, 11:55 AM
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This thread is mis-titled. I don't think anybody here is "Anit-Union," or even "Anti-ALPA."
Yes, it is unarguable that ALPA has not done many great things for this Industry in the almost 80 years it's been around. BUT, that doesn't necessarily mean that we should all feel that it is in our best interest at a place like SkyWest, for instance, at this particular moment. Don't insult us, please...
Yes, it is unarguable that ALPA has not done many great things for this Industry in the almost 80 years it's been around. BUT, that doesn't necessarily mean that we should all feel that it is in our best interest at a place like SkyWest, for instance, at this particular moment. Don't insult us, please...
09-25-2007, 11:57 AM
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Like i said,, all of the non/anti alpa guys have nothing to say.. All the skywest guys will be riding our coat tails one day, but right now they just cant stand the thought of a union.. funny thing is one day that union they hate so much will have done more for their career and future then sapa will have done for them. Come one skywest guys,, tell me again how alpa does nothing for you and you dont need them... you were so vocal on the other threads, please, just tell me how this doesn't affect your future.
09-25-2007, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Airsupport
Once again the ANTI UNION PILOTS will ride the coat tails of those who are paving the way for a better future.. your welcome.. do you actually think your management is there trying to get this pushed through???
US House bill would shield workers in bankruptcies
WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Workers' and retirees' wages and pension benefits would be protected in corporate bankruptcies under a bill to be introduced on Tuesday by Democratic U.S. lawmakers with support from labor unions.
House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, said in a statement he will offer the bill to "make it more difficult for the companies to use bankruptcy as a way to gut workers' wages and benefits."
Conyers said he will be joined at a news conference on the bill on Tuesday by Richard Trumka, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO labor coalition, and labor leaders for airline pilots, steelworkers, auto workers, flight attendants and machinists.
"Workers have been bearing more than their share of the pain when their companies file for bankruptcy," Trumka said.
"This legislation restores balance to the bankruptcy process, moving workers up in the line of who gets what they're owed, ensuring outrageous CEO packages don't trump things like pensions and living wages, and slamming shut corporations' back door route to gutting workers' rights," he said.
An aide to Conyers said the bill would seek to amend the U.S. bankruptcy law and declined to provide further details ahead of the news conference. (Reporting by Kevin Drawbaugh)
US House bill would shield workers in bankruptcies
WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Workers' and retirees' wages and pension benefits would be protected in corporate bankruptcies under a bill to be introduced on Tuesday by Democratic U.S. lawmakers with support from labor unions.
House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, said in a statement he will offer the bill to "make it more difficult for the companies to use bankruptcy as a way to gut workers' wages and benefits."
Conyers said he will be joined at a news conference on the bill on Tuesday by Richard Trumka, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO labor coalition, and labor leaders for airline pilots, steelworkers, auto workers, flight attendants and machinists.
"Workers have been bearing more than their share of the pain when their companies file for bankruptcy," Trumka said.
"This legislation restores balance to the bankruptcy process, moving workers up in the line of who gets what they're owed, ensuring outrageous CEO packages don't trump things like pensions and living wages, and slamming shut corporations' back door route to gutting workers' rights," he said.
An aide to Conyers said the bill would seek to amend the U.S. bankruptcy law and declined to provide further details ahead of the news conference. (Reporting by Kevin Drawbaugh)
Well, this bill may make it more difficult, but I think it highly unlikely it will prevent companies from dumping pensions in the future, even if it is passed.
Color me cynical and skeptical, but I would bet that any company shark worth their salt will be able to find ways around this and any other law to get the returns to the shareholders and execs, the workers be damned.
09-25-2007, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bohica
Well, this bill may make it more difficult, but I think it highly unlikely it will prevent companies from dumping pensions in the future, even if it is passed.
Color me cynical and skeptical, but I would bet that any company shark worth their salt will be able to find ways around this and any other law to get the returns to the shareholders and execs, the workers be damned.
Color me cynical and skeptical, but I would bet that any company shark worth their salt will be able to find ways around this and any other law to get the returns to the shareholders and execs, the workers be damned.
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