floydbird

ALPA, you supported Age 65, and now you are in cahoots with the ATA and RAA to water down increased experience requirements? A national level movement that would have the affect of increasing pay and working conditions for airline pilots from 1 side of this country to the other, and you want to dumb it down? WHAT?

STOP HELPING ME.

You are doing real damage to our careers. Stop, just stop.

CAPA, now.

Captbimmer

Just another useless political organization

clipperskipper

True, but Alpa is right 2 3/8% of the time.

freightguy

ALPA is supporting lowering the requirements (1500hrs)? Facts? If true, we need to dismantle the pig ASAP.

MatchPoint

Or ALPA sees this as inevitable and not being part of the negotiations could hurt our futures further. Example; ATA/RAA/etc want 500 hrs but we end up with 800 hrs thanks impart to ALPA's participation. Yes I want the full 1500 hrs but the fact is congress left this loophole wide open allowing certain programs to gain approval for lower ATP mins.

Serious question, where’s CAPA? They should be sitting beside ALPA on our behalf instead they are doing? I believe it’s in our best interest to have both ALPA and CAPA working together on national issues.

Grumble

So in effect, the only thing poised to change is the amount of debt a regional new hire will be saddled with. Assuming they can get loans anymore....

lolwut

Thats the same argument that was made for Age 65. "Its going to happen anyways, we might as well be a part of it". Look how well that worked out for us, age 65 still passed and its screwing all of us every single day. And by the looks of it, a lot more pilots are staying past 65 than originally expected.

Are we going to have a lot more pilots going to airlines at 500TT than originally expected?

This country needs skilled competent EXPERIENCED pilots in airline seats. We as pilots need barriers to entry to this profession to drive the wages up. There is no reason why becoming an airline pilot should be any easier, quicker, or less compensating than becoming a doctor or lawyer.

In the end there will be less new pilots. That will drive up wages. It'll put sleazebag operators out of business as they won't be able to find pilots. And best of all, it could make it so that (due to the need to match the number of jobs to the number of pilots) its more effective to fly a 737 instead of 2 RJs. This could help us fix scope.


Not many will buy 1500 hours. It just isn't possible for the majority of the population and I don't think it'll be a concern. What it will do is make it so the pilots that are the most goal oriented, driven, dedicated, and capable, are the ones that make it to the airlines. Heck, aside from 2006-2009, you needed 1500 hours to make it to the airlines anyways.


1500 hours required for pilots is good for the safety of the public and its good for our careers. Those should be the 2 things that ALPA is worried about and ALPA should be pushing hard for this, not once again giving in.

floydbird

"The two pilot organizations on the panel were divided on the issue. The Air Line Pilots Association, whose members include pilots at both regional and major airlines, backed the recommendations. But the Coalition of Airline Pilot Associations, whose members include pilot unions at major airlines and cargo carriers, dissented, saying that even enhanced training isn't a substitute for experience."


CAPA, now.

MatthewAMEL

It's pretty clear.

ALPA wants more members. CAPA wants more pilots.

ATCsaidDoWhat

Serious answer...CAPA, IBT, SWAPA, APA and USAPA have all been out front on this since the beginning and not budged one bit on the 1500 hour requirement. ALPA came along kicking and screaming when they were the lone holdout among pilot groups...something I pointed out weeks ago and someone here called me a liar.

The facts are as they were then. ALPA is in bed with AABI, ATA and RAA. ATA, RAA and NBAA want relaxed rules. ATA and RAA for cheaper labor, AABI so that the university programs they front for can still convince mommy and daddy to pay for juniors college flying by saying that a 4 year degree will give a free pass on 700 or so hours of flying time. Meaning more $$ for the school and new blood...and dues for ALPA.

And ALPA is supposed to sweep in and with the wisdom of Solomon, say that a 4 yr degree and 800 hours will be enough. Babbitt is already primed to say, "Yes, this is good because ALPA is behind it."

The Colgan 3407 families are LIVID about this...as you might imagine. As are a few Congressmen and Senators.

It used to be we all spoke about the FAA regulating by the number of dead bodies. Guess they aren't the only ones anymore.