View Poll Results: Is it time to Dump ALPA & form our own union?
I am in favor of dumping ALPA.
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35.05%
I am NOT in favor of dumping ALPA.
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Drop ALPA at PNCL and form new Union?
05-08-2011 | 02:05 PM
#14
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Playing devil's advocate here, this begs the question: Who has priority, then? After all, Mainline is subsidizing the whole show (and continuing to lose their flying to regionals)
05-08-2011 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AxialFlow
After all, Mainline is subsidizing the whole show (and continuing to lose their flying to regionals)
...after all, its not like regional pilots can just "take" mainline flying...
05-08-2011 | 02:28 PM
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05-08-2011 | 02:52 PM
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Is it time to Dump ALPA and form a new Union that represents the Pinnacle Pilots and not use our dues to represent the mainline carriers that don't want us flying their routes anyways?
ALPA has their hand in too many pilots pockets. Where are the synergies from having the same union represent airlines that are competing against each other? Now that the "new" Pinnacle has nearly 3,000 pilots, the resources, talent and ability is there to form a union that best represents Pinnacle and not take our dues to represent UAL, CAL, FDX or any other airline that ALPA represents.
If ALPA hasn't nationalized the seniority system by now, it will never, ever happen. They just want your 2% and that's it.
ALPA has their hand in too many pilots pockets. Where are the synergies from having the same union represent airlines that are competing against each other? Now that the "new" Pinnacle has nearly 3,000 pilots, the resources, talent and ability is there to form a union that best represents Pinnacle and not take our dues to represent UAL, CAL, FDX or any other airline that ALPA represents.
If ALPA hasn't nationalized the seniority system by now, it will never, ever happen. They just want your 2% and that's it.
If you understood how your union worked, you likely would not even have posted this diatribe... there is no national UNION. There are local unions totally run by the pilots of that airline. They are all associated with eachother as a natonal association... the national association itself doesn't become involved in politics as it is outside the scope of their charter; that is why they have a PAC... which does become involved in political projects.
Flip open your member benefits book and look at the services that are avalable through ALPA. Go ahead and try and do that all yourself for the same money.
I'm not ALPA, but they did have their act together more than most... even if they were slow to react on the national level. However, what DAL, FDX or anybody else does, means nothing to how your own MEC runs your union. Don't like it, vote in new people.
one of the most common arguements from the "mainline" companies is that ALPA represents the interests of too many regionals and not theirs...
05-08-2011 | 03:29 PM
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Or at the very least, not fly former mainline routes?
05-08-2011 | 03:36 PM
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Because regional pilots aren't in a position to do that, any more than mainline pilots are in a position to compel them to do that.
Mainline pilots don't "give" (sell) their scope to regional pilots, they "give" (sell) it to their own management, who then does whatever they want with it.
But you already knew that.
That's not a regional pilot decision - that's an airline management decision. A mainline management decision.
..but again, you already knew that.
Mainline pilots don't "give" (sell) their scope to regional pilots, they "give" (sell) it to their own management, who then does whatever they want with it.
But you already knew that.
Or at the very least, not fly former mainline routes?
..but again, you already knew that.
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