View Poll Results: Is it time to Dump ALPA & form our own union?
I am in favor of dumping ALPA.
34
35.05%
I am NOT in favor of dumping ALPA.
63
64.95%
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Drop ALPA at PNCL and form new Union?
05-08-2011 | 06:44 PM
#22
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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I do not understand the complaint that ALPA looks out for mainline's interest so therefore we should decertify ALPA for an in-house. Isn't it in the best interest for 95% of us regional pilots that ALPA looks out for mainline's interest?
Do we really want to win the battle of regional vs major?? I sure as hell dont.
Do we really want to win the battle of regional vs major?? I sure as hell dont.
05-08-2011 | 07:07 PM
#23
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2008
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Im hanging on the tail end when it comes to union stuff.
Why do some complain about ALPA?
Why would having a independent union be good or bad?
Ive heard CAL pilots talk about how they wished they had an independent union like AA, DAL.
Why do some complain about ALPA?
Why would having a independent union be good or bad?
Ive heard CAL pilots talk about how they wished they had an independent union like AA, DAL.
05-08-2011 | 08:30 PM
#25
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
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Im hanging on the tail end when it comes to union stuff.
Why do some complain about ALPA?
Why would having a independent union be good or bad?
Ive heard CAL pilots talk about how they wished they had an independent union like AA, DAL.
Why do some complain about ALPA?
Why would having a independent union be good or bad?
Ive heard CAL pilots talk about how they wished they had an independent union like AA, DAL.
Last edited by The Juice; 05-09-2011 at 06:52 AM.
05-09-2011 | 08:05 AM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
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From: Airbus
05-09-2011 | 08:24 AM
#27
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Is it time to Dump ALPA and form a new Union that represents the Pinnacle Pilots and not use our dues to represent the mainline carriers that don't want us flying their routes anyways?
ALPA has their hand in too many pilots pockets. Where are the synergies from having the same union represent airlines that are competing against each other? Now that the "new" Pinnacle has nearly 3,000 pilots, the resources, talent and ability is there to form a union that best represents Pinnacle and not take our dues to represent UAL, CAL, FDX or any other airline that ALPA represents.
If ALPA hasn't nationalized the seniority system by now, it will never, ever happen. They just want your 2% and that's it.
ALPA has their hand in too many pilots pockets. Where are the synergies from having the same union represent airlines that are competing against each other? Now that the "new" Pinnacle has nearly 3,000 pilots, the resources, talent and ability is there to form a union that best represents Pinnacle and not take our dues to represent UAL, CAL, FDX or any other airline that ALPA represents.
If ALPA hasn't nationalized the seniority system by now, it will never, ever happen. They just want your 2% and that's it.
05-09-2011 | 09:27 AM
#28
Doing One Pilot's Job
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No, they had something to do with it...but ask yourself this:
How many concessionary contracts were unilaterally imposed by a BK judge, vs. how many concessionary contracts were ratified by pilot groups?
Even with the bankruptcy gun to a pilot group's head, there are lots of ways to get to the company's desired result which is cost cuts...compensation, work rules, vacation, scheduling, and scope...just to name a few. If scope protection (job protection, we all later found out) was made a high or top priority in the concessionary negotiations of 2002-2006 then I'd bet things would look quite a bit different today.
How many concessionary contracts were unilaterally imposed by a BK judge, vs. how many concessionary contracts were ratified by pilot groups?
Even with the bankruptcy gun to a pilot group's head, there are lots of ways to get to the company's desired result which is cost cuts...compensation, work rules, vacation, scheduling, and scope...just to name a few. If scope protection (job protection, we all later found out) was made a high or top priority in the concessionary negotiations of 2002-2006 then I'd bet things would look quite a bit different today.
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