SF340guy

Don't be fooled, this is exactly what we have now, not seperate but equal. SEPERATE BUT SEPERATE! This RPC Unity fool is quoting an airline CEO who calls this concept revolutionary. A CEO, being quoted in a union election, REALLY?

Ask Trans States Airlines if seperate is better? Compass and GoJet think so, but then again, those guys are the ones geting the upgrades, while the TSA guys are left to wither away, or apply to their own holding company for a job with a chance of upgrade, after starting over. Sound familiar? BTW, FAPA arranged that little gem, for you, a chance to fly the big bad bus.

After talking with several pilots in both groups it seems very obvious that FAPA has convinced their own membership, and is trying to convince the IBTs that seperate is better.

They use examples like AAG. Ask an Alaska pilot how they feel, knowing that under their new contract, ANYTHING can be outsourced to Horizon. I did, and the answer was "insecure, but confident, that AAG management would never outsource their Mainline." I don't know their management, but I know ours.

Management supports the RPC concept, they are trying to push their agenda of remaining seperate by telling the IBT that the 190s will be moved over to F9, and they will be hiring off the street for them. They are trying to break support for IBT. It only takes a few defectors and FAPA/RPC will have won. They will keep us seperate, and force their agenda on us. The SLI is meaningless until we are working under one contract. IBT will amalgamate, and provide you with the representation you need against hostile airline management. The time for lovey dovey is over.

Keep them out, tell FAPA/RPC no. The "Anything under 120,000lbs should be outsourced" concept is dead. We don't have to reign in scope, we have scope!!!

IBT357, One List, One Voice, One Contract! Cast your vote for True Unity!

terryhflyer

You have scope and that is a very nice thing to have but what else has the IBT done for you? How is that contract coming along. Do you really like your work rules? You can still be IBT under the RPC.

SF340guy

The contract is "coming along!" Mediation starts tomorrow. If you fly for F9, get used to it. Hostile management stall tactics is all this company knows. FAPA is used to dealing with friendly management, and easy negotiating.

The Gene Sowell Era is over. IBT357 is structured to support all segments of the RAH pilot group.

FAPA is trying to backdoor this election by getting a few IBT members to support this RPC idea. Has RPC been registered with the NMB. If I write RPC in my vote, how can the NMB be assured that I do not mean Richmond Porn Clinic?

terryhflyer

Ok SF340guy sell me on why I should vote for the IBT? Please don't say that you don't have to because you have the numbers to win anyway. I would really like to know the good and the bad of the IBT. Sell it to me.

FYI FAPA has a pretty good relationship with RAH management and has made many improvements to our contract with them.

aviatormjc

There's one reason! Management is playing FAPA against IBT.

Reason 2: The IBT is experienced with management BS.

terryhflyer

How is management playing FAPA against the ibt? I would like specifics please.
How has the ibt delt with management that FAPA has not? Please convince me to vote for the ibt.

SF340guy

Me personally, I am not a pro IBT guy. I am a pro unity guy. I do not want to throw away this opportunity. I think we need 1 union with 1 voice, 1 bargaining agent and 1 contract. To say that we have different needs, as "Mainline" or "Regional" is unfair and counter productive.

Having a seperate bargaining agent would allow FAPA or the IBT to undercut the other, and that is what we have now. IBT would undercut FAPA as well as the other way around. Which is why seperate is not an option.

Personally I would not have supported FAPA because of their stance that "Anything under 120,000lbs should be contracted out." Also that they supported "Hiring" IBT pilots out of the seniority list and "Allowing" them to start over, at their own holding company, at the bottom of their own seniority list. At the same time, they allowed Lynx and Midwest pilots to keep their seniority while moving over to the A320. I personally do not want to fly that airplane, mostly because Denver does not appeal to me, but supporting managements attempts to undercut the collective rights and scope of the IBT pilots is unacceptable in my book.

IBT357 can provide the unity that we need, I have seen the difference in the new IBT357 vs Local747, and the change is amazing. They want to unite and further the interest all of the pilots of RAH, as one. UTU, ALPA even the Republic Pilots Association (RPA) would have been an allowable option, but seperate collective bargaining agents is what RAH management wants, and exactly what we can not allow them to have.

Hetman

This statement is positively terrifying.

zoooropa

"FAPA's stance that anything under 120,000lbs should be farmed out"?

You are making your decision based on something that was never said?

"Supporting management's attempts to undercut the collective rights and scope of the IBT pilots"?

You need to get together with Toilet Duck, he has already acknowledged that the airbus hiring was outside of the your almighty scope.

You are makeing a career decision based upon rumor and inuendo.

"They want to unite and further the interest all of the pilots of RAH, as one."

All pilots of RAH? Midwest pilots? Tier III pilots? UTU pilots? FAPA pilots?

I will make this easy for you.

Name ONE thing. ONE thing the local 357 has accomplished that has improved the lives of the current 357 list, top to bottom, since they have become 357.

I don't want to hear about something that some people like, I want to hear about ONE thing that the IBT has done that has served their most junior pilot.

Mulva

RPC = 3 IBT + 3 FAPA to start. How is it that either side would be allowed to undercut the other? The RPC will be the "bargaining representative" for ALL RAH pilots.