From IBT Washington DC Message to Republic Airlines (isn’t it “Airways?”) Flight Attendants Urgent Single Carrier Ruling: On October 12, 2011, the National Mediation Board (“NMB”) issued a decision finding that Frontier and Lynx are now part of a single transportation system with Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic Airlines and Midwest for the Flight Attendant craft or class. Neither the IBT nor the AFA Teamsters (?) agrees with this decision. However, in order to preserve the existing representation rights of the Frontier, Republic, Midwest and Lynx Flight Attendants without a difficult and divisive election, the AFA and the Teamsters are discussing the formation of a joint organization that would be certified by the NMB and would allow each organization to continue to represent the members it presently represents for grievance and contract bargaining purposes. The IBT and AFA are in the preliminary stages of negotiating the creation of such an organization, and plan to ask the NMB to postpone any further action on a runoff election until late November 2011, by which time we hope to have an agreement creating such an entity. We will continue to keep you posted. Captain David Bourne ♦ Director Airline Division |
Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH
(Post 1079371)
That's funny. You're implying that our contract is sucky? Based on IBT's record at other airlines, I don't see them improving ours.
Apparently you haven't looked at the Atlas contract. Before rigs, a 12 year 767 Captain (of which I know a few...) is on par with a DAL 20 year 767 Captain. Yeah, bad news. Just like their rigs and profit sharing. And they didn't sell the farm in bankruptcy either...like you did. That's the pot calling the kettle black, given the $37 limit on your FO pay, and that (to the best of my knowledge) our pilots currently make more than EVERY IBT represented airline flying similar equipment, and more than some ALPA-represented legacy carriers. Once again, you arrogance is nauseating. First, you (or one of you RAH cohorts) implied that airplane size is somehow correlated to a pilot's worth, and now you're saying that all pilots of bankrupt airlines are morally reprehensible, as if you are somehow superior to them because you've had the luck (and lack of time in the industry?) to not have experienced that. I've seen Ch 7 and 11 in my time. Face it...you are no different than the first group of pilots at American who sold out the future AA pilots by agreeing to the first "B" scale. Republic pilots got a lousy contract that can and will be improved. YOU sold out the profession and those who will come after us. |
Originally Posted by F9 A319
(Post 1080480)
From IBT Washington DC Message to Republic Airlines (isn’t it “Airways?”) Flight Attendants Urgent Single Carrier Ruling: On October 12, 2011, the National Mediation Board (“NMB”) issued a decision finding that Frontier and Lynx are now part of a single transportation system with Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic Airlines and Midwest for the Flight Attendant craft or class. Neither the IBT nor the AFA Teamsters (?) agrees with this decision. However, in order to preserve the existing representation rights of the Frontier, Republic, Midwest and Lynx Flight Attendants without a difficult and divisive election, the AFA and the Teamsters are discussing the formation of a joint organization that would be certified by the NMB and would allow each organization to continue to represent the members it presently represents for grievance and contract bargaining purposes. The IBT and AFA are in the preliminary stages of negotiating the creation of such an organization, and plan to ask the NMB to postpone any further action on a runoff election until late November 2011, by which time we hope to have an agreement creating such an entity. We will continue to keep you posted. Captain David Bourne ♦ Director Airline Division |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080574)
Republic pilots got a lousy contract that can and will be improved.
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080574)
There is a monumental difference between the Republic pilots who got a substandard FIRST contract foisted on them by LU747 leadership that was sacked by the International and the Airline Division...and FAPA, who voluntarily SOLD OUT to BB while trying to cut a side deal.
Face it...you are no different than the first group of pilots at American who sold out the future AA pilots by agreeing to the first "B" scale. There is no "B" scale, have you read LOA 67? The LOA affected ALL pilots, not just New Hires or FO's. Do you know what the "B" scale was at AA, how it came about and how it was finally abolished? Do you know what we "gave up?" Do you know what we gained? I'll help you out here - you don't know what we gained. I doubt that you know what we gave either, read the LOA. WE have work rules, benefits and payrates that are just fine for now, thank you.
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080574)
Huge difference between two groups working together and FAPA coming in with a list of DEMANDS...by the way...you STILL lost the election.
Allow Frontier pilots a voice in our own future. Don't behave in a way that harms our jobs. We prefer to work with Management rather than wake up every single day and think of ways to fight with them. Don't steal our money. Engage as opposed to demanding our participation. Communicate with the Frontier pilot group. Pretty unreasonable list, I guess. And the IBT and 357 has yet to meet a single "demand."
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080574)
Republic pilots got a lousy contract that can and will be improved.
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080574)
and FAPA, who voluntarily SOLD OUT to BB while trying to cut a side deal.
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080574)
YOU sold out the profession and those who will come after us.
"We sold out the profession" from an RAH pilot?!? You voted in your contract, which is the worst I've ever seen. You have the same guy negotiating for changes to 4 sections of your CBA. How's that going? Strike by Christmas? Trying to sell a "lack of safety" campaign? You guys remember Colgan 3407 in BUF and the subsequent safety concerns about "Commuters", right? Having a 23 year old tell the traveling public on TV that he's going to take lunch breaks, not because it's a safety issue, but that he just doesn't care and wants a raise? Brilliant!
Originally Posted by F9 A319
(Post 1080480)
From IBT Washington DC Message to Republic Airlines (isn’t it “Airways?”) Flight Attendants Urgent Single Carrier Ruling: On October 12, 2011, the National Mediation Board (“NMB”) issued a decision finding that Frontier and Lynx are now part of a single transportation system with Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic Airlines and Midwest for the Flight Attendant craft or class. Neither the IBT nor the AFA Teamsters (?) agrees with this decision. However, in order to preserve the existing representation rights of the Frontier, Republic, Midwest and Lynx Flight Attendants without a difficult and divisive election, the AFA and the Teamsters are discussing the formation of a joint organization that would be certified by the NMB and would allow each organization to continue to represent the members it presently represents for grievance and contract bargaining purposes. The IBT and AFA are in the preliminary stages of negotiating the creation of such an organization, and plan to ask the NMB to postpone any further action on a runoff election until late November 2011, by which time we hope to have an agreement creating such an entity. We will continue to keep you posted. Captain David Bourne ♦ Director Airline Division |
How's that going? Strike by Christmas? Trying to sell a "lack of safety" campaign? You guys remember Colgan 3407 in BUF and the subsequent safety concerns about "Commuters", right? Having a 23 year old tell the traveling public on TV that he's going to take lunch breaks, not because it's a safety issue, but that he just doesn't care and wants a raise? |
No troubles at all F9...you sold out the profession when you went begging to give concessions to a modern day Frank Lorenzo. Your airline was in the can and you were headed for the unemployment line when BB bought you for pennies on the dollar. Everyone saw your idea of how the SLI should occur; you wanted to shaft everyone else. You lost on that one. Then, facing the representation election, you created the farce called RPC Unity, that failed too.
And as your final act of desperation, you went to BB and sold your soul and the profession out by giving away concessions that others in this industry will use at the bargaining table to demand concessions or threaten bankruptcy. Those of us who have been here much longer than you have seen it before. You can put all the lipstick on the pig you want; it doesn't change the fact that you did it. Did the Republic pilots get a lousy first contract? Yep. Your assumptions and pronouncements on what they will achieve in the days ahead are baseless because you have no clue what will happen. Just as you have no clue about the background of who will be doing the negotiating. Just assumptions. Nor do you likely understand that many carriers out there; meaning the legacies and long established regionals who have been around 30 years or more, didn't start out with stellar first contracts. There is a word for what you continue to espouse as an excuse for your sellout. Quisling. |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080698)
Everyone saw your idea of how the SLI should occur; you wanted to shaft everyone else.
.... Did the Republic pilots get a lousy first contract? Yep. Lynx, MEA, and Frontier had similar ideas on the SLI. IBT was the one that was waaaaaay out there. What was your proposal for the Midwest pilots? You wanted to shaft everyone else, so we'll call it even. What's IBT's excuse for the crappy contracts everywhere else but Atlas? Are they all first contracts? It seems like your argument is "our contracts suck compared to yours, but at least we haven't given concessions". |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080698)
No troubles at all F9...you sold out the profession when you went begging to give concessions to a modern day Frank Lorenzo.
And as your final act of desperation, you went to BB and sold your soul and the profession out by giving away concessions that others in this industry will use at the bargaining table to demand concessions or threaten bankruptcy. At this time, we have to worry about our future, not the industry's. If you're a student of the industry, you'll remember all the promises UAL ALPA made to the old Frontier pilots, only to betray them in the end. There are tons of examples of every size of pilot group looking out for their best interests as opposed to trading their jobs for the faceless "industry pilots." Again, have you read LOA 67? There's nothing in there even remotely close to "selling our soul."
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080698)
Those of us who have been here much longer than you have seen it before.
The IBT created such an adversarial, confrontational relationship with RAH management that they have been essentially useless in dealing with RAH Management on any issue that could benefit their membership and/or the Company. Line hour reduction LOA excluded, but then that didn't go exactly as planned, did it? Or are you talking about the industry? I have been flying professionally for 31 years and have studied the industry as much as anyone I know. I have held every position a pilot can hold. Management, Line pilot, Sim and Line CAM and 5 different union positions over 11 years.
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080698)
Just as you have no clue about the background of who will be doing the negotiating. Just assumptions.
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1080698)
There is a word for what you continue to espouse as an excuse for your sellout.
Quisling. |
Us RAH FAs are calling the attorney representing IBT as we are opposing two councils. It is ridiculous. We have more FAs than F9 and we aren't worried about losing IBT. We need one union representing us all. I could care less which one. I have had both in the past. As for this non sense, looking back, I wish Southwest would have won. Listening to a bunch of crews whine about how Republic ruined their airline gets really old. Remember where you could of been. Get happy, be productive and make it work or get out! Life is way too short.
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