Surprise! IBT decides a Joint Council works
 

FAPA approached the IBT over a year ago regarding the construction of a Joint Council. Gate Gourmet (an IBT-UNITE joint council) and US Airways (an IBT-CWA) joint council were used as just some of the many examples that have worked before.

The IBT wasn't interested.

"We have been told that situation has been a complete failure", a Local 357 Exco members said when we discussed Gate Gourmet.

The Local 357 then sent out a letter to its membership claiming that a Joint Council will not work at RAH.

Why would they want to cooperate with the Frontier Pilots. The IBT outnumbered them nearly 3 to 1.

Alas, now a joint council is a great idea at RAH. The Frontier Flight Attendants are AFA members, and the RAH Flight Attendants are IBT members. Unfortunately for the IBT, they do not outnumber the AFA flight attendant in this election. The IBT is worried about losing. Rather than risk another loss for the IBT Airline Division, they are building a Joint Council. What a great idea! Why didn't we think of that? Oh, we did, and they told us to go f ourselves.

The AFA will remain as the bargaining agent for the Frontier Flight Attendants, and administrate their CBA.

The IBT will remain as the bargaining agent for the RAH Flight Attendants, and administrate their CBA.

This sounds very familiar. I wonder what changed the IBT's mind.

One day, a Joint Council is a horrible idea and we were told it couldn't possibly work. The next day a Joint Council is the only way to go.

The same exact IBT lawyers that told the FAPA reps that a Council won't work at RAH are the ones building a council for the Flight Attendants. Its amazing how their perspective changes when the don't have a guaranteed win during the representation election.

There is only one word that can even begin to describe the IBT.

Hypocritical.

Respectfully, I must disagree.

I can think of hundreds of words to describe the IBT. And "Hypocritical" is much more pleasant than where I would begin. It would at least be down in the mid 50's or so.

Not to be overly cynical, but the Frontier F/A's wouldn't bring in anything like the Frontier pilots in dues AND don't have a large savings account for the IBT to rape and pillage and raid as FAPA does.

How many positions has Wilder taken on IBT issues? McBond does apply to MEA F/A's as they weren't an "Air Carrier", but a "Holding Company." McBond does apply to the pilot SLI, now a "Shell Organization" is a good idea for the F/A's but wasn't for the pilots.

That's without even getting into his representation of the Frontier Mechanic's for IBT. I WANTED Bill to kick butt with the Frontier Mechanics, because he was going against that miserable example of humanity, Brian Mumaugh at Holland and Hart and RAH totally hosed our Mechanics.

As much as it pains me to do so, I have to give Wilder props, his representation abilities seem to blow but he seems like God's chosen Attorney and prevails without a case or the ability to present a case. It is one of the great mysteries in life from my perspective.

RAH pilots---single carrier

RAH F/A----not single carrier

That simple

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Keep up Dude. The NMB ruled the F/A's are now a single carrier.

It's a matter of words but it means a lot (like core belief) that the NMB ruled that RAH and Frontier pilots constituted a single carrier.

The NMB ruled, initially, that the RAH and Frontier F/A's were not a single carrier and has now ruled that the RAH and Frontier F/A's are a single carrier.

No matter how long this lasts, there will ALWAYS be RAH employees and Frontier employees.

Just so you're up to date, the IBT is agreeing to form a "Shell Organization" (like a "Joint Council") that will allow the Frontier F/A's to remain being represented by AFA and RAH F/A's to continue to be represented by the IBT.

Do the first two posts make a bit more sense now?

Well looks like I am a few weeks behind the times.

How does that even make any sense?

What's good for the goose....

Outsider wondering, as we're having our F/As give the royal screw job to our brother airline's FAs....

Just a day or two actually. It happens to me too.

still not educated on the IBT CBA. Our scope does not allow for two councils. It's over and done with now. pay your damn dues, nominate some folks in the next election and move on. The pitty party thrown on here is appalling. for grown men and women who are supposed to be more seasoned and experienced then us young regional pukes. FAPA probably wants a participation trophy for their RPC idea. Well why don't you two go have some orange slices at half time well IBT keeps fighting towards the goal of a much better contract for all pilots.

Orange slices at half time? What's that mean?

Whenever you get a new contract, I seriously doubt that it will be a contract that is "a much better contract for all pilots."

I don't see it as the basis of setting a new bar for pattern bargaining in the industry. It is a good "goal" and I guess that's all you committed to....

There is absolutely nothing in your scope language that prevents a Joint Council. Nothing.

At the beginning, it was going to be an all IBT umbrella anyway, but even THAT wasn't good enough for the IBT.

Be honest, it would have worked better than the fiasco we have today, but you guys knew you had the numbers in the election so you blew us off.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and the IBT is doing exactly what they told FAPA could never be done.

It's a joke, really it is.