ALPA Pilot Training Conference
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From Associated Press:
WASHINGTON —
An industry forecast that nearly half a million new airline pilots will be needed worldwide over the next 20 years as airlines expand their fleets has raised safety concerns that airlines will hire lower caliber pilots as they struggle to fill slots.
Boeing, one of the world's largest makers of commercial jetliners, forecasts about 460,000 new pilots will be needed worldwide between now and 2031 as global economies expand and airlines take deliveries of tens of thousands of new commercial jetliners. The forecast includes 69,000 new pilots in the North America, mostly in the U.S. The greatest growth will be in the Asia-Pacific region, where an estimated 185,600 new pilots will be needed.
Likewise, Boeing predicts 601,000 new aircraft maintenance technicians will be needed over the same period, with greatest demand - 243,500 technicians - in the Asia-Pacific region. An estimated 92,500 new technicians will North America.
The rising global demand for airline pilots has raised concern among industry and government officials that there will be a global and a domestic pilot shortage.
"In many regions of the world, a pilot shortage is already here," the Boeing forecast said. "Asia Pacific in particular is experiencing delays and operational interruptions due to pilot scheduling constraints."
That's particularly true in China and India, industry officials said. Airlines based in Asia and the Middle East have been holding pilot job fairs in the U.S. and thousands of pilots laid off due to U.S. airline bankruptcies and mergers are now flying for foreign carriers.
"We have airlines around the world as they buy our airplanes and come to us on the training side of the house, saying `We're struggling to fill (pilot) seats. Can you help us?' " said Carl Davis, Boeing's chief of pilot services. Davis presented his company's forecast Thursday at a conference in Washington on pilot training hosted by the Air Line Pilots Association, the world's largest pilot union.
U.S. industry and government officials are also concerned that the rising global demand for pilots, combined with an anticipated wave in pilot retirements and tougher qualification standards for new pilots that kick in next year, will create a domestic shortage as well.
"I'm concerned because it has safety implications," John Allen, the Federal Aviation Administration's director of flight services, told The Associated Press.
Allen said he wants to spur a discussion among industry, labor unions and academia about a potential shortage that will "really look at this and address it, not to just sweep it under the rug ... Is this a problem? And, if it is a problem, how bad is it?"
He said he is fearful that if there is a shortage, airlines will hire pilots who are technically qualified but don't have the "right stuff."
"If the industry is stretched pretty thin ... that can result in someone getting into the system that maybe isn't really the right person to be a pilot. Not everybody is supposed to be a pilot," Allen said.
Jean Medina, a spokeswoman for Airlines for America, responding to Allen's comments, said: "Safety is always our top priority and our airlines hire pilots that meet the rigorous standards set by the FAA." The International Air Transport Association didn't respond to a request for comment.
Lee Moak, president of the pilots union, said he doubts a pilot shortage will be felt in the U.S. for about three to five years. If U.S. airlines start hiring pilots in large numbers, he said, pilots now flying for foreign carriers will likely return home. There are currently about 90,000 airline pilots in the U.S. and Canada.
"Globally is another matter," Moak said.
Industry and government officials anticipate a wave of pilot retirements at U.S. airlines beginning this year. Five years ago, the FAA raised the mandatory retirement age for pilots from 60 to 65. The fifth anniversary of that decision is Dec. 13. Pilots who were age 60 on that date five years ago are reaching the age where they have to retire.
Also, FAA regulations created in response to an aviation safety law passed by Congress two years ago will raise the experience threshold required to be an airline first officer from the current 250 hours of flying time to 1,500 hours, the same level as required of captains. That's expected to make it harder for airlines to find qualified new applicants.
At the same time, the pool of military-trained pilots that airlines have relied upon in the past has largely dried up as more pilots choose to remain in the military rather than seek airline careers, industry officials said. That means airlines have had to rely on new hires that have accumulated their experience at flight schools and, later, working as flight instructors at local airports and the flight schools.
"The cost of getting into flying is very expensive," Davis said. "When I talk to college students, if they're coming out of a four-year collegiate (aviation) program, most of them are $150,000 to $160,000 in debt. And that only gives them the qualifications to go be a flight instructor. If you're making $20,000 a year as a flight instructor you're lucky."
A shortage in the U.S. will likely first be felt at regional airlines, which tend to fly smaller airliners and hire less experienced pilots than mainline careers. A typical pilot career path is to get hired as a first officer at a regional airline, get promoted to captain and then get hired by a mainline carrier.
"It appears based on retirements alone there is going to be a massive need for mainline hiring," said Dave Ryter, a regional airline captain who spoke at the training conference.
"If that comes to fruition," Ryter said, "the mainlines will draw from the regionals. ... It's the regionals that will have to find the entry-level pilot. That will be the first challenge, although it will eventually trickle up to the mainlines."
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WASHINGTON —
An industry forecast that nearly half a million new airline pilots will be needed worldwide over the next 20 years as airlines expand their fleets has raised safety concerns that airlines will hire lower caliber pilots as they struggle to fill slots.
Boeing, one of the world's largest makers of commercial jetliners, forecasts about 460,000 new pilots will be needed worldwide between now and 2031 as global economies expand and airlines take deliveries of tens of thousands of new commercial jetliners. The forecast includes 69,000 new pilots in the North America, mostly in the U.S. The greatest growth will be in the Asia-Pacific region, where an estimated 185,600 new pilots will be needed.
Likewise, Boeing predicts 601,000 new aircraft maintenance technicians will be needed over the same period, with greatest demand - 243,500 technicians - in the Asia-Pacific region. An estimated 92,500 new technicians will North America.
The rising global demand for airline pilots has raised concern among industry and government officials that there will be a global and a domestic pilot shortage.
"In many regions of the world, a pilot shortage is already here," the Boeing forecast said. "Asia Pacific in particular is experiencing delays and operational interruptions due to pilot scheduling constraints."
That's particularly true in China and India, industry officials said. Airlines based in Asia and the Middle East have been holding pilot job fairs in the U.S. and thousands of pilots laid off due to U.S. airline bankruptcies and mergers are now flying for foreign carriers.
"We have airlines around the world as they buy our airplanes and come to us on the training side of the house, saying `We're struggling to fill (pilot) seats. Can you help us?' " said Carl Davis, Boeing's chief of pilot services. Davis presented his company's forecast Thursday at a conference in Washington on pilot training hosted by the Air Line Pilots Association, the world's largest pilot union.
U.S. industry and government officials are also concerned that the rising global demand for pilots, combined with an anticipated wave in pilot retirements and tougher qualification standards for new pilots that kick in next year, will create a domestic shortage as well.
"I'm concerned because it has safety implications," John Allen, the Federal Aviation Administration's director of flight services, told The Associated Press.
Allen said he wants to spur a discussion among industry, labor unions and academia about a potential shortage that will "really look at this and address it, not to just sweep it under the rug ... Is this a problem? And, if it is a problem, how bad is it?"
He said he is fearful that if there is a shortage, airlines will hire pilots who are technically qualified but don't have the "right stuff."
"If the industry is stretched pretty thin ... that can result in someone getting into the system that maybe isn't really the right person to be a pilot. Not everybody is supposed to be a pilot," Allen said.
Jean Medina, a spokeswoman for Airlines for America, responding to Allen's comments, said: "Safety is always our top priority and our airlines hire pilots that meet the rigorous standards set by the FAA." The International Air Transport Association didn't respond to a request for comment.
Lee Moak, president of the pilots union, said he doubts a pilot shortage will be felt in the U.S. for about three to five years. If U.S. airlines start hiring pilots in large numbers, he said, pilots now flying for foreign carriers will likely return home. There are currently about 90,000 airline pilots in the U.S. and Canada.
"Globally is another matter," Moak said.
Industry and government officials anticipate a wave of pilot retirements at U.S. airlines beginning this year. Five years ago, the FAA raised the mandatory retirement age for pilots from 60 to 65. The fifth anniversary of that decision is Dec. 13. Pilots who were age 60 on that date five years ago are reaching the age where they have to retire.
Also, FAA regulations created in response to an aviation safety law passed by Congress two years ago will raise the experience threshold required to be an airline first officer from the current 250 hours of flying time to 1,500 hours, the same level as required of captains. That's expected to make it harder for airlines to find qualified new applicants.
At the same time, the pool of military-trained pilots that airlines have relied upon in the past has largely dried up as more pilots choose to remain in the military rather than seek airline careers, industry officials said. That means airlines have had to rely on new hires that have accumulated their experience at flight schools and, later, working as flight instructors at local airports and the flight schools.
"The cost of getting into flying is very expensive," Davis said. "When I talk to college students, if they're coming out of a four-year collegiate (aviation) program, most of them are $150,000 to $160,000 in debt. And that only gives them the qualifications to go be a flight instructor. If you're making $20,000 a year as a flight instructor you're lucky."
A shortage in the U.S. will likely first be felt at regional airlines, which tend to fly smaller airliners and hire less experienced pilots than mainline careers. A typical pilot career path is to get hired as a first officer at a regional airline, get promoted to captain and then get hired by a mainline carrier.
"It appears based on retirements alone there is going to be a massive need for mainline hiring," said Dave Ryter, a regional airline captain who spoke at the training conference.
"If that comes to fruition," Ryter said, "the mainlines will draw from the regionals. ... It's the regionals that will have to find the entry-level pilot. That will be the first challenge, although it will eventually trickle up to the mainlines."
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#4
Yes, clearly we all missed out
What did we miss out on other than death by PowerPoint?
What did we miss out on other than death by PowerPoint?
7:00 – 8:00 AM REGISTRATION & COFFEE
8:00 – 8:30 AM WELCOME AND KEYNOTE ADDRESS
Captain Lee Moak – President, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
The Honorable Michael Huerta – Acting Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration
8:30 – 10:00 AM THE FUTURE OF AIRLINE PILOT HIRING AND TRAINING
Moderator: Captain Leja Noe – Training Council Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Mr. Jim Dow – Air Navigation Commissioner, ICAO
Mr. John Allen – Director, Flight Standards Service (AFS-1), Federal Aviation Administration
Captain Carl Davis – Pilot Services, Boeing Flight Services
Mr. Viktor Robeck – Assistant Director, Safety, Operations & Infrastructure (SO&I), Training and Qualifications, IATA
10:00 – 10:30 AM BREAK
10:30 – 12:00 PM BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES OF IMPLEMENTING AN ADVANCED QUALIFICATION PROGRAM (AQP)
Moderator: Captain Frank Cheeseman – Human Factors and Training Group Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Mr. Chris MacWhorter – Voluntary Safety Programs Branch, Flight Standards, Federal Aviation Administration
Captain Dave Ryter –Vice Chair, American Eagle MEC and Education Committee Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Martin “Huey” Harris –Training Committee Chair, Delta Air Lines MEC
Mr. John Duncan – Manager, Advanced Qualification Program, Flight Training & Standards, US Airways, Inc.
12:00 - 1:00 PM LUNCH
1:00 – 2:30 PM PRODUCING BETTER-TRAINED PILOTS WITH TECHNOLOGY
Moderator: Captain Bryan Burks – Human Factors and Training Group, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Lou Nemeth – Chief Safety Officer, CAE
Dr. Jeffrey Schroeder – Chief Scientific and Technical Advisor, Flight Simulation Systems, Federal Aviation Administration
Mr. James Takats – President, OPINICUS Corporation
Captain Dave McKenney – Director, Pilot Training Program, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Christopher Reed – Manager, Advanced Qualification Program, JetBlue Airways and a Representative for Airlines for America
2:30 – 3:00 PM BREAK
3:00 – 4:30 PM ESTABLISHING QUALIFICATIONS FOR SAFE, PROFICIENT AIRLINE PILOTS
Moderator: Captain Chuck Hogeman – Aviation Safety Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Greg Kirkland – Flight Standards Service, Air Transport Division, Assistant Manager, Federal Aviation Administration
Captain Darrin Greubel – Manager of Line Operations, ExpressJet & Representative to the First Officer Qualifications Aviation Rulemaking Committee, Regional Airline Association
Dr. Tim Brady – Dean of the College of Aviation, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University (ERAU)
Captain David Ward – Flight Standards Line Check Pilot, B-767 ER, Delta Air Lines & Representative of Airlines for America
4:30 - 5:00 PM CLOSING REMARKS AND ADJOURNMENT
Captain Sean Cassidy - First Vice President/National Safety Coordinator, Air Line Pilots Associaton, Int'l | No Presentation
8:00 – 8:30 AM WELCOME AND KEYNOTE ADDRESS
Captain Lee Moak – President, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
The Honorable Michael Huerta – Acting Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration
8:30 – 10:00 AM THE FUTURE OF AIRLINE PILOT HIRING AND TRAINING
Moderator: Captain Leja Noe – Training Council Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Mr. Jim Dow – Air Navigation Commissioner, ICAO
Mr. John Allen – Director, Flight Standards Service (AFS-1), Federal Aviation Administration
Captain Carl Davis – Pilot Services, Boeing Flight Services
Mr. Viktor Robeck – Assistant Director, Safety, Operations & Infrastructure (SO&I), Training and Qualifications, IATA
10:00 – 10:30 AM BREAK
10:30 – 12:00 PM BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES OF IMPLEMENTING AN ADVANCED QUALIFICATION PROGRAM (AQP)
Moderator: Captain Frank Cheeseman – Human Factors and Training Group Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Mr. Chris MacWhorter – Voluntary Safety Programs Branch, Flight Standards, Federal Aviation Administration
Captain Dave Ryter –Vice Chair, American Eagle MEC and Education Committee Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Martin “Huey” Harris –Training Committee Chair, Delta Air Lines MEC
Mr. John Duncan – Manager, Advanced Qualification Program, Flight Training & Standards, US Airways, Inc.
12:00 - 1:00 PM LUNCH
1:00 – 2:30 PM PRODUCING BETTER-TRAINED PILOTS WITH TECHNOLOGY
Moderator: Captain Bryan Burks – Human Factors and Training Group, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Lou Nemeth – Chief Safety Officer, CAE
Dr. Jeffrey Schroeder – Chief Scientific and Technical Advisor, Flight Simulation Systems, Federal Aviation Administration
Mr. James Takats – President, OPINICUS Corporation
Captain Dave McKenney – Director, Pilot Training Program, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Christopher Reed – Manager, Advanced Qualification Program, JetBlue Airways and a Representative for Airlines for America
2:30 – 3:00 PM BREAK
3:00 – 4:30 PM ESTABLISHING QUALIFICATIONS FOR SAFE, PROFICIENT AIRLINE PILOTS
Moderator: Captain Chuck Hogeman – Aviation Safety Chair, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l
Captain Greg Kirkland – Flight Standards Service, Air Transport Division, Assistant Manager, Federal Aviation Administration
Captain Darrin Greubel – Manager of Line Operations, ExpressJet & Representative to the First Officer Qualifications Aviation Rulemaking Committee, Regional Airline Association
Dr. Tim Brady – Dean of the College of Aviation, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University (ERAU)
Captain David Ward – Flight Standards Line Check Pilot, B-767 ER, Delta Air Lines & Representative of Airlines for America
4:30 - 5:00 PM CLOSING REMARKS AND ADJOURNMENT
Captain Sean Cassidy - First Vice President/National Safety Coordinator, Air Line Pilots Associaton, Int'l | No Presentation
Last edited by HSLD; 07-29-2012 at 12:02 PM.
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It was good meeting people from all other parts of the aviation industry as well as pilots from other airlines. I had a free room to stay at up there, but I can see how it wouldn't interest you as much if you had to get an expensive room in downtown DC 'just to go'.
#6
Nothing personal and I'm glad that you enjoyed conference, however, after attending a number of ALPA sponsored events in Herndon I can't say it's not worth the time or effort for a line pilot to attend. The only hope for a line pilot to affect ALPA policy is to tender a council resolution with hopes that it will make it to the BOD for action.
ALPA BOD is this October BTW
ALPA BOD is this October BTW
Last edited by HSLD; 07-30-2012 at 04:21 PM.
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