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Old 07-31-2013 | 10:21 PM
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What has ALPA done for you lately?

That is a question we all should be asking ourselves? All I have ever seen is no support, no improvement to our careers, and no unity.

I believe it has come time for all regionals to decertify from ALPA.

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Old 08-01-2013 | 03:03 AM
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And what has management done for you? You do realize the majors ALPA dues fund the regionals ALPA budget right? I agree they haven't been the greatest but the alternative is much worse unfortunately.

What do you have in mind to provide us just a 1/4 of the protections/ work rules they provide?

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Old 08-01-2013 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422
What has ALPA done for you lately?

That is a question we all should be asking ourselves? All I have ever seen is no support, no improvement to our careers, and no unity.

I believe it has come time for all regionals to decertify from ALPA.

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Well it's like this... who puts more honey into the ALPA pot?
A: Mainline APLA Carriers, or
B: Their regional affiliates

It's a MASSIVE conflict of interest IMHO. And also I'm sure the case could be made for dereliction of duty or whatever you'd call it if ALPA won a huge CBA for a regional carrier at the detriment of the mainline partner.
I think it would be best if there was a sister branch of ALPA that was for regional carriers only, with management completely different from National. THat was we could have a more fair shake when going to the table.

It would behoove us to have a Regional Airline Pilots Assoc. that purchased certain services from ALPA National... many other unions do this, Southwest, Airways, American... all of their inhouse unions purchase services from ALPA National... insurance, economic analysis, etc...

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Old 08-01-2013 | 04:40 AM
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Good luck. Regional airlines get a free ride. You'll never get 1/4th of what ALPA can do. Aeromedical, insurance programs, safety, accident investigations, veterans affairs etc..... Good luck getting all that from another association at 1.95 of your check......

You all need to remember you vote in status reps and thus your MEC. You selected these individuals. Your individual property is only as strong as those who YOU put in place.
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Old 08-01-2013 | 10:33 AM
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Well we've all seen what Teamsters has done for GoJet and RAH. Or Great Lakes and Silver Wings.
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Old 08-01-2013 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Good luck. Regional airlines get a free ride. You'll never get 1/4th of what ALPA can do. Aeromedical, insurance programs, safety, accident investigations, veterans affairs etc..... Good luck getting all that from another association at 1.95 of your check......

You all need to remember you vote in status reps and thus your MEC. You selected these individuals. Your individual property is only as strong as those who YOU put in place.
At least someone gets it.
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Old 08-01-2013 | 11:07 PM
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I would call it Regional Airline Pilot Employees.
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Old 08-02-2013 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well we've all seen what Teamsters has done for GoJet and RAH. Or Great Lakes and Silver Wings.
There are a few differences you forgot. ALPA takes all of your dues money. IBT only gets .22% from each local...the rest is kept locally.

Each IBT group negotiates their own contract with assistance...if requested...from the International. At GoJet, they are using that assistance now in their negotiations. At RAH, they refused and have gone it alone with an outside law firm they wanted...and the results are showing.

At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding."
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Old 08-02-2013 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat

At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding."
Last I checked your local ALPA dollars aren't ever getting pulled. Most regional properties get money, from a national fund, to fund section 6 discussions. Anyways I'd encourage you to fact check before quoting inaccurate information.

How's IBTs aeromedical department? Their accident investigation department? Safety? Veterans Affairs? Fatigue risk management? ASAP? Should I keep going?
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Old 08-02-2013 | 09:32 AM
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So the point is, infrastructure that ALPA has and services provided are valuable. The question now is, how do the regional airlines create a similar infrastructure without being handcuffed to an organization with conflict of interest?

I don't have an answer for that.
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