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wiz5422 07-31-2013 10:21 PM

Decertify ALPA
 
What has ALPA done for you lately?

That is a question we all should be asking ourselves? All I have ever seen is no support, no improvement to our careers, and no unity.

I believe it has come time for all regionals to decertify from ALPA.

Thoughts?

MrMustache 08-01-2013 03:03 AM

And what has management done for you? You do realize the majors ALPA dues fund the regionals ALPA budget right? I agree they haven't been the greatest but the alternative is much worse unfortunately.

What do you have in mind to provide us just a 1/4 of the protections/ work rules they provide?

bonesbrigade 08-01-2013 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 1455330)
What has ALPA done for you lately?

That is a question we all should be asking ourselves? All I have ever seen is no support, no improvement to our careers, and no unity.

I believe it has come time for all regionals to decertify from ALPA.

Thoughts?

Well it's like this... who puts more honey into the ALPA pot?
A: Mainline APLA Carriers, or
B: Their regional affiliates

It's a MASSIVE conflict of interest IMHO. And also I'm sure the case could be made for dereliction of duty or whatever you'd call it if ALPA won a huge CBA for a regional carrier at the detriment of the mainline partner.
I think it would be best if there was a sister branch of ALPA that was for regional carriers only, with management completely different from National. THat was we could have a more fair shake when going to the table.

It would behoove us to have a Regional Airline Pilots Assoc. that purchased certain services from ALPA National... many other unions do this, Southwest, Airways, American... all of their inhouse unions purchase services from ALPA National... insurance, economic analysis, etc...

meyers9163 08-01-2013 04:40 AM

Good luck. Regional airlines get a free ride. You'll never get 1/4th of what ALPA can do. Aeromedical, insurance programs, safety, accident investigations, veterans affairs etc..... Good luck getting all that from another association at 1.95 of your check......

You all need to remember you vote in status reps and thus your MEC. You selected these individuals. Your individual property is only as strong as those who YOU put in place.

johnso29 08-01-2013 10:33 AM

Well we've all seen what Teamsters has done for GoJet and RAH. Or Great Lakes and Silver Wings.

PeopleMover90 08-01-2013 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 1455380)
Good luck. Regional airlines get a free ride. You'll never get 1/4th of what ALPA can do. Aeromedical, insurance programs, safety, accident investigations, veterans affairs etc..... Good luck getting all that from another association at 1.95 of your check......

You all need to remember you vote in status reps and thus your MEC. You selected these individuals. Your individual property is only as strong as those who YOU put in place.

At least someone gets it.

JamesNoBrakes 08-01-2013 11:07 PM

I would call it Regional Airline Pilot Employees.

ATCsaidDoWhat 08-02-2013 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1455533)
Well we've all seen what Teamsters has done for GoJet and RAH. Or Great Lakes and Silver Wings.

There are a few differences you forgot. ALPA takes all of your dues money. IBT only gets .22% from each local...the rest is kept locally.

Each IBT group negotiates their own contract with assistance...if requested...from the International. At GoJet, they are using that assistance now in their negotiations. At RAH, they refused and have gone it alone with an outside law firm they wanted...and the results are showing.

At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding."

meyers9163 08-02-2013 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 1456017)

At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding."

Last I checked your local ALPA dollars aren't ever getting pulled. Most regional properties get money, from a national fund, to fund section 6 discussions. Anyways I'd encourage you to fact check before quoting inaccurate information.

How's IBTs aeromedical department? Their accident investigation department? Safety? Veterans Affairs? Fatigue risk management? ASAP? Should I keep going?

SebastianDesoto 08-02-2013 09:32 AM

So the point is, infrastructure that ALPA has and services provided are valuable. The question now is, how do the regional airlines create a similar infrastructure without being handcuffed to an organization with conflict of interest?

I don't have an answer for that.


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