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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1455533)
Well we've all seen what Teamsters has done for GoJet and RAH. Or Great Lakes and Silver Wings.
Each IBT group negotiates their own contract with assistance...if requested...from the International. At GoJet, they are using that assistance now in their negotiations. At RAH, they refused and have gone it alone with an outside law firm they wanted...and the results are showing. At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding." Anyway, call the union bananas for all I care. It will still be made up of the same people who voted in those who are in office now. |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1456017)
There are a few differences you forgot. ALPA takes all of your dues money. IBT only gets .22% from each local...the rest is kept locally.
Each IBT group negotiates their own contract with assistance...if requested...from the International. At GoJet, they are using that assistance now in their negotiations. At RAH, they refused and have gone it alone with an outside law firm they wanted...and the results are showing. At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding." Not even close to being correct. |
Originally Posted by SebastianDesoto
(Post 1456165)
So the point is, infrastructure that ALPA has and services provided are valuable. The question now is, how do the regional airlines create a similar infrastructure without being handcuffed to an organization with conflict of interest?
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1456017)
There are a few differences you forgot. ALPA takes all of your dues money. IBT only gets .22% from each local...the rest is kept locally.
Each IBT group negotiates their own contract with assistance...if requested...from the International. At GoJet, they are using that assistance now in their negotiations. At RAH, they refused and have gone it alone with an outside law firm they wanted...and the results are showing. At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding." |
Been Tried Before
Originally Posted by bonesbrigade
(Post 1455367)
I think it would be best if there was a sister branch of ALPA that was for regional carriers only, with management completely different from National. THat was we could have a more fair shake when going to the table. It would behoove us to have a Regional Airline Pilots Assoc. that purchased certain services from ALPA National... many other unions do this, Southwest, Airways, American... all of their inhouse unions purchase services from ALPA National... insurance, economic analysis, etc... The first real "test" was a strike at Rio Airways (TX) which proved to be very costly in that Rio held off the strike efforts for over a year and finally UPA capitulated. Although very expensive, the company "won" and thereafter the financials simply didn't make sense to continue as a separate entity. The history of UPA after that is very short. Today, it makes even less sense. Look at what the majors pour into the coffers of the regional carriers and you'll answer your own question. G'Luck Mates:) |
Originally Posted by meyers9163
(Post 1456047)
How's IBTs aeromedical department? Their accident investigation department? Safety? Veterans Affairs? Fatigue risk management? ASAP? Should I keep going?
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Originally Posted by blueballs
(Post 1473200)
As someone who worked for rah for almost a decade let me tell you, you have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea what we went thru and what lack of support ibt offered. They are a truckers union that's all!!!
Why don't you tell us all why you let CM refuse any assistance, preferring to go with a lawyer outside the IBT who bills you up the wazoo and delivers squat? Or why you all refused any assistance from the Economics folks? Problem for you is that there are some of us who know EXACTLY what you were offered...and refused. You had the opportunity to go with Local 1224 and have even MORE support after 747 was shut down, but you turned it down and demanded your own Local. Don't blame others for your failings. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 1456172)
Not even close to being correct.
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1456017)
There are a few differences you forgot. ALPA takes all of your dues money. IBT only gets .22% from each local...the rest is kept locally.
Each IBT group negotiates their own contract with assistance...if requested...from the International. At GoJet, they are using that assistance now in their negotiations. At RAH, they refused and have gone it alone with an outside law firm they wanted...and the results are showing. At IBT, it's about local members deciding how to proceed. With ALPA, it's "take the deal because it's the best you'll get...or we'll pull your funding." |
Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
(Post 1474375)
And your statement is based on???
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