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MartinBishop 09-05-2016 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 2196367)
It wouldn't work if dues were "optional".

That's actually not true. There are 26 states which are right to work and they get along just fine:


















As I have explained, I see lots of safety benefit to unions, and don't really have a problem being a member of one. I DO have a problem of being forced to be a member of one just to have employment.





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CBreezy 09-05-2016 06:09 PM

The Union under the RLA is the sole bargaining agent for your contract. You feel like you should be able to use the hard work of the Union and not pay dues for them to represent you and bargain on your behalf? That is what seems unfair and selfish. But that's not surprising coming from you.

labbats 09-05-2016 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBishop (Post 2196382)
No one should be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, it is unjust. That's not being anti-union, it is being pro-freedom. 80% of Americans agree, according to Gallup.

How many of those Americans are working under the seniority system?

FreshWater 09-05-2016 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBishop (Post 2196383)
I DO have a problem of being forced to be a member of one just to have employment.

You aren’t forced to work anywhere, nor pay any dues to anyone. Don’t like union shop, don’t work there that simple. The attempt to take away dues check off is the end around to end enforcement of union contracts. Hence the union itself.

The Juice 09-05-2016 07:05 PM

Martin, you really are the worst on these forums, the worst.

A "know it all" who knows nothing.

CBreezy 09-05-2016 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 2196439)
Martin, you really are the worst on these forums, the worst.

A "know it all" who knows nothing.

Now now. He studied it somewhere and had friends who worked at an ultra conservative think tank. You know, he's a legit instrument pilot who is mad about unions, mad about regulations, mad that he has to get a commercial rating to make money as a pilot. Basically, he's mad that we deny his god given aviation talent.

TSRAGR 09-05-2016 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBishop (Post 2196382)
No one should be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, it is unjust. That's not being anti-union, it is being pro-freedom. 80% of Americans agree, according to Gallup.

MB, wow. I'm not w/a major (yet) and you can be damn sure, if i'm lucky enough to get picked up, the 1st day i'm eligible to be part of the union I'm all in.

"Forced", you're not forced to have a job, ask "O" and "H", they favor folks that will continue to bleed the working class to death and allow us the privilege of paying for it.

I don't want to lower myself to saying, 'get a life', but alas, I have...

MartinBishop 09-05-2016 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by FreshWater (Post 2196438)
You aren’t forced to work anywhere, nor pay any dues to anyone. Don’t like union shop, don’t work there that simple. The attempt to take away dues check off is the end around to end enforcement of union contracts. Hence the union itself.

You do realize it is akin to slavery, right?

They take a % out of my check and don't give me a choice. They "represent" me and don't give me a choice.


Even if they do really good things and I benefit from them (which is often the case), I should still have a choice in the matter. Unless of course you hate freedom.

FreshWater 09-05-2016 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBishop (Post 2196467)
You do realize it is akin to slavery, right?

They take a % out of my check and don't give me a choice. They "represent" me and don't give me a choice.


Even if they do really good things and I benefit from them (which is often the case), I should still have a choice in the matter. Unless of course you hate freedom.

You can exercise your freedom to not work at a union shop and not pay those dues.

Cruz5350 09-05-2016 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by MartinBishop (Post 2196467)
You do realize it is akin to slavery, right?

They take a % out of my check and don't give me a choice. They "represent" me and don't give me a choice.


Even if they do really good things and I benefit from them (which is often the case), I should still have a choice in the matter. Unless of course you hate freedom.

Holy cow you really just said slavary is akin to joining a Union. I've seen some stuff on here but that tops everything.


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