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MasterOfPuppets 03-06-2017 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2315038)
I'm lower than 28 in my fleet/base/seat. But there are senior Capts that also bid reserve in my fleet/base.

WB FO is junior? In EWR and SFO, but everything's junior in EWR and SFO.

Hmm. You lost every argument. That should tell you that you need to dig through the contract a bit. Start with LCs vs SCs flying into days off - it's in the contract.

As far as being called for SC, I'm almost always called at decent waking hours, not midnight.

For strange hour SCs, I've asked schedulers about them before. New schedulers won't know, but I've always been given logical answers from experienced schedulers.


I'm not ecstatic about reserve but I bid it with eyes wide open. I've learned to make it work for me.

You are LAX777 right? There are 27 active FOs. Anyways that doesn't matter.

I'm up to speed on flying into days off, happens a lot to me, so what did I say that was wrong?

Glad crew sked calls you at a descent hour because I assure you that's not the case for RSV on the 787 in SFO. Calls at midnight for a SC the next day is common practice.

As far as WB being junior there are 3 year seniority pilots on the 777 in ORD, DCA, EWR, SFO, on the 747 in SFO and the 787 in SFO. Please tell me why that is.

ugleeual 03-06-2017 03:21 PM

read my earlier post on why WB 777 going junior.

There are many younger pilots who are happy making 73-75 hours of 777/787 pay and not work. To make the equivalent amount of pay on the 756 you would need to work 90+ hours each month... and 100+ on a NB.

Pretty simple actually why guys/gals are bidding it...

MasterOfPuppets 03-06-2017 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2315148)
read my earlier post on why WB 777 going junior.

There are many younger pilots who are happy making 73-75 hours of 777/787 pay and not work. To make the equivalent amount of pay on the 756 you would need to work 90+ hours each month... and 100+ on a NB.

Pretty simple actually why guys/gals are bidding it...

I don't understand your reasoning here. It looks to me like you just made an argument for why WB FO should be senior?

baseball 03-06-2017 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2315082)
Agreed, the only reason they can get around the contract is because there are no walls to prevent them in the reserve section. There are only a couple examples in the entire section and even those are vague.

The reserve section in the CBA is currently being used as a door stop over in the crew pay department. When they are done with it, they will consider giving it back to the crew desk to be used as giant paperweight.

APC225 03-06-2017 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2315082)
Agreed, the only reason they can get around the contract is because there are no walls to prevent them in the reserve section. There are only a couple examples in the entire section and even those are vague.

But it's perfectly clear about release to 10 hours of FAR rest. Three examples just to be sure there's no doubt.

Pro2nd 03-06-2017 05:06 PM

I love my job here at United and feel this job is 85 percent as good as it could / should be. That said I'm with you guys 100 percent with wanting to make reserve a little better. And I too support the the idea that I always try to leave a place a little better off than how I found it. Having been involuntarily on reserve for 2 years since being hired I have seen quite a few examples of things that shocked me were legit after filing PDRs.

Getting rid of the freedom to roll our days off without limits is top on my list. We should also be paid add pay for rolled days off and be able to restore the day where we choose, not where the company chooses. My regional had these provisions.

Get rid of the unused provision in SC/FSB pay. As well as paying for every one, not after the first two and up through the 5th only.

Build all SC and FSB assignments by 10am the day prior. Except in the case of irregular ops.

Fix the recent implementation of only being able to pick up
a trip in your silo in the 1100 STT once your reserve days have started. Silo minus 1 has always been allowed until recently.

There are more I would support but these are the biggies.

Andy 03-06-2017 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2315088)
You are LAX777 right? There are 27 active FOs. Anyways that doesn't matter.

That's not cool. You've bent the data beyond recognition. Previous post:


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2315008)
You only have 28 FOs in your fleet/base/seat. SFO 787FO has 333 there's probably 10-15 FOs that bid reserve and they are all right at the G-Line so I'm not even sure if they are doing it on purpose.

There were 319 SFO 787 FOs listed in the March awards. I haven't gone through to see how many are active, but I can guarantee you that it's less than 333.

As far as WB FO going junior, that should be 'fixed' when the whale gets parked. ... I don't consider WB FO to be junior (most can hold left seat narrowbody), but I base my opinion off of more than the junior man in seat.

I've made peace with the reserve system. If the reserve system changes, I'll make peace with the new system.

MasterOfPuppets 03-06-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2315273)
That's not cool. You've bent the data beyond recognition. Previous post:



There were 319 SFO 787 FOs listed in the March awards. I haven't gone through to see how many are active, but I can guarantee you that it's less than 333.

As far as WB FO going junior, that should be 'fixed' when the whale gets parked. ... I don't consider WB FO to be junior (most can hold left seat narrowbody), but I base my opinion off of more than the junior man in seat.

I've made peace with the reserve system. If the reserve system changes, I'll make peace with the new system.

Not sure what I bent out of recognition? If 5 pilots bid RSV voluntarily in LAX 777 FO then RSV is voluntary. If 7 pilots bid RSV in SFO 787 FO then 53 more will still be given RSV.

Go look st the APR staffing page 331 active 787 FOs in SFO;) so I GURANTEE you you are wrong.

Andy 03-06-2017 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2315285)
Not sure what I bent out of recognition? If 5 pilots bid RSV voluntarily in LAX 777 FO then RSV is voluntary. If 7 pilots bid RSV in SFO 787 FO then 53 more will still be given RSV.

Go look st the APR staffing page 331 active 787 FOs in SFO;) so I GURANTEE you you are wrong.

So now you're going to change from present tense to future tense. Interesting. ... you DO know that 331 (a dubious and optimistic number) is less than 333, right? So that would make me correct.

You voluntarily bid WB FO so by proxy you voluntary bid reserve for several years.

It's not really that important to me, but I can't understand why someone who has less than 4 years on property would bid WB FO knowing that he'd be on reserve for years, then has the gall to complain about the reserve system. You were on property long enough to know how the reserve system worked well before you were awarded SFO 787.

MasterOfPuppets 03-06-2017 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2315306)
So now you're going to change from present tense to future tense. Interesting. ... you DO know that 331 (a dubious and optimistic number) is less than 333, right? So that would make me correct.

You voluntarily bid WB FO so by proxy you voluntary bid reserve for several years.

It's not really that important to me, but I can't understand why someone who has less than 4 years on property would bid WB FO knowing that he'd be on reserve for years, then has the gall to complain about the reserve system. You were on property long enough to know how the reserve system worked well before you were awarded SFO 787.

I see now you didn't read my first post......Didn't even make it past the second sentence.


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