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intrepidcv11 05-25-2017 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2369651)
That video was a shot across the bow and we should fire back. It's the first attempt to turn 80,000 employees against the pilots.

At this point I highly doubt a frontline employee will buy more United Express as a good thing. The utter incompetence of the operation for many years has caused dismay far beyond the flight deck.

mrmak2 05-25-2017 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2369634)
Unplugged in CLE when he says he hopes he can convince the pilots and ALOA to release scope for the good of us all:rolleyes:.

Good luck Kirby......I used to fly a 76 seat jet I'm sure mainline pilots can learn how to as well.

Instead of trying to convince us to release scope maybe he should ask us how we can work together to fly 76 seat jets at mainline.

First thing he went for during the AA bankruptcy was 88 seat scope. Coincidently that's probably pretty close to what the cut-down CS100 would be

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...n-united-talks

Grumble 05-25-2017 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2369672)
Reading in between the lines CLE will close as a base followed by GUM.

CLE was always going to close. It makes zero sense as a base, ala MEM and DAL post NWA merger.

GUM closing? I don't see that happening. We're the only game for a lot of that island flying and the gov't contracts are too lucrative.

MasterOfPuppets 05-25-2017 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 2369711)
First thing he went for during the AA bankruptcy was 88 seat scope. Coincidently that's probably pretty close to what the cut-down CS100 would be

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...n-united-talks

He's a smooth talker. What he says makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why a regional has to fly the airplane. That is the million dollar question.

Probe 05-25-2017 08:49 PM

Very soon, to be able to attract more pilot applications, some HR department is going to come up with the idea that they can attract more/better pilot applicants if the jobs were at the mothership than at a subcontractor. One of the majors will do it first. The rest will fall in line to compete.

The race to bring jobs to the mainline started several years ago when all the majors raised new hire pay from 23/hr to 60/hr, and the worse RJ operators started paying signing bonus's to new hires. The next lap around the circuit was giving a "fast track" to a mainline job when you get hired at certain regionals. The next will probably be getting a "seniority number" at mainline when you get hired by a regional. But eventually someone is going to just start bringing 70+ seaters to mainline.

It is going to happen. The market will force them to do it.

89Pistons 05-25-2017 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2369723)
CLE was always going to close. It makes zero sense as a base, ala MEM and DAL post NWA merger.

GUM closing? I don't see that happening. We're the only game for a lot of that island flying and the gov't contracts are too lucrative.

Then we'd be increasing staffing and block hours there instead of displacing and pulling aircraft out of there like we are now, right?

I've flown into Guam many times over the last couple years. We aren't the only game in town. There are a lot of airlines there. Not sure if they're doing island flying though.

Today UAL only had 13 flights operate out of Guam. Only 10 of those flights were 737 Guam trips.

757Driver 05-25-2017 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2369651)
That video was a shot across the bow and we should fire back. It's the first attempt to turn 80,000 employees against the pilots.

I've been singing this song since Kirby joined us and shockingly it's true. The dude loves RJ's and Codesharing. Look for more of the same in the weeks to come and no new order to replace the 737-700's except for possible more commuter crap.

Dang I hate being correct sometimes !!

MasterOfPuppets 05-25-2017 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2369733)
I've been singing this song since Kirby joined us and shockingly it's true. The dude loves RJ's and Codesharing. Look for more of the same in the weeks to come and no new order to replace the 737-700's except for possible more commuter crap.

Dang I hate being correct sometimes !!

You have been saying that. the problem is the pilots won't give him more RJs. I don't think he likes 50 seat jets either. So he can talk all he wants he's not going to get scope relief so all he can do is grow mainline. Which is what Iv been saying......

CLazarus 05-25-2017 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 2369711)
First thing he went for during the AA bankruptcy was 88 seat scope. Coincidently that's probably pretty close to what the cut-down CS100 would be

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blo...n-united-talks

I posted the same article about a 'cut-down' CS100 a few days back in a nearby thread, then came upon this today.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-cs100-437635/

The more recent article makes a lot more sense than the one suggesting BBD was willing to sell UAL custom chopped CS100s. I see the standard Wikipedia CS100 config has 8F and 110Y seats. Well, our UAX 175s have a dozen F seats (and interestingly so do our current -700s, the 319s have just 8). So, it was entirely plausible that BBD was going to add more FC seats (12-16 total I imagine) and bring the total seat count down to make it a true 100 seater thus reducing the FA contingent to two.

If SK really wants more 76 seat RJs, he already has the means to get them and I'm not buying the line he's used previously saying 'we don't see how to make the economics work for 100 seat jets'. We could run CS100s or 190/195 E2s from ORD to DFW or EWR to ATL instead of RJs and they would do great against AA/DAL mainline jets... because from a passenger perspective they essentially ARE mainline jets. I'm not sure what pax will ultimately think of the E2, but everything I've read suggests the C series is now hands down the best NB passenger experience out there. That is probably why Boeing is deploying its legal department to try and beat it back (duh, cheaper than designing a clean sheet aircraft!).

Anyways, SK would be wasting his time asking for scope concessions. A better use of his time if he really wants more RJs would be to negotiate a great deal for NSNB jets.

MasterOfPuppets 05-25-2017 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by CLazarus (Post 2369739)
I posted the same article about a 'cut-down' CS100 a few days back in a nearby thread, then came upon this today.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-cs100-437635/

The more recent article makes a lot more sense than the one suggesting BBD was willing to sell UAL custom chopped CS100s. I see the standard Wikipedia CS100 config has 8F and 110Y seats. Well, our UAX 175s have a dozen F seats (and interestingly so do our current -700s, the 319s have just 8). So, it was entirely plausible that BBD was going to add more FC seats (12-16 total I imagine) and bring the total seat count down to make it a true 100 seater thus reducing the FA contingent to two.

If SK really wants more 76 seat RJs, he already has the means to get them and I'm not buying the line he's used previously saying 'we don't see how to make the economics work for 100 seat jets'. We could run CS100s or 190/195 E2s from ORD to DFW or EWR to ATL instead of RJs and they would do great against AA/DAL mainline jets... because from a passenger perspective they essentially ARE mainline jets. I'm not sure what pax will ultimately think of the E2, but everything I've read suggests the C series is now hands down the best NB passenger experience out there. That is probably why Boeing is deploying its legal department to try and beat it back (duh, cheaper than designing a clean sheet aircraft!).

Anyways, SK would be wasting his time asking for scope concessions. A better use of his time if he really wants more RJs would be to negotiate a great deal for NSNB jets.

The CS 100 is to heavy for express no matter how many seats it has in it.

But you are correct the CS will stand toe to toe with any mainline aircraft. If you can stand up straight, its quiet, comfortable and bring on a carry on people will consider it mainline.


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