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Originally Posted by Otters (Post 2368773)

Never say never on a junior Captain and how junior a Captain may go. Look on the 1709V thread and DAL junior captains. For abut the last year their captains have been going extremely junior, 4 months on property junior. Go from probation pay to in excess of $200/hr because year one Captain doesn't have a probation pay. Now enters the next problem. And I had this explained to me by someone at DAL, so correct me if I am wrong. Several junior people on probation get awarded Captain, time to upgrade but they don't have the hours for ATP. Etc. Thus, stay in right seat and get paid Captain Pay All the while on probation. Their massive bid that just closed corrected this issue but I believe some of this language change may be to prevent some of this.

Actually, the last big bid didn't fix the issue as several pilots were called and told they would not be awarded a Capt slot because they did not meet the 1,000 hr SIC (reducible to 500 for certain military experience) FAR minimums. A previous bid (Sept 2016) saw the first 4 month new hire Captain award and the company elected to allow him keep the bid as he would meet the FAR reqmts by the time he went to training about 5-6 months later. He was not paid Capt pay to sit in the right seat awaiting FAR time.

However, our 75/76 categories are severely undermanned for the summer so numerous 75/76 FOs who are awaiting training for previously awarded narrow-body Capt slots will be getting narrow-body Capt pay (and a good portion of it "times two" for OT flying). This will be happening because junior FOs coming from less critically-manned positions are being trained for narrow body Capt positions before the more senior 75/76 FOs thereby triggering pay protection provisions. Good deal for them.

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Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2369796)

I'm in that position. Effective June, 1 blended CA pay for 756 FO work and seniority during the summer. Not a bad deal. I plan on taking full advantage of this opportunity!💰💰

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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2368876)

Junior Capt on the Shuttle back in the 90's was under 2 years.

I don't remember the shuttle being that junior. The shuttle went more senior to the mainline 737-3/5 I do remember the rope start guppy being a little over 2 years

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Originally Posted by A320 (Post 2370322)

I don't remember the shuttle being that junior. The shuttle went more senior to the mainline 737-3/5 I do remember the rope start guppy being a little over 2 years

Yup. I was an LCA on the shuttle, and TK was going nuts over the lack of qualifications these guys had. I was checking out squadron mates. 2000 hrs of C-141 time, prior furloughed from other airlines. Yeah, these guys were problems?? Nope.

However TK did maintain a microscope on these guys for a while. Prudent.

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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2368605)

It is to prevent a new hire from finishing training, going on Mil Leave. And staying out till he can hold Captain. It didn't cost the union a thing...they said it was mutually beneficial to the company and the union. So chances are, we got something out of it.

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It was excessively abused during the days of B-scale. Guys would bail out to the Military and come back after probation or waited until they were off B-Scale. If memory serves, a change was made - both agreeable by the Company and ALPA that ones' probation ended after 12 months flying the line at United. Another example of "sharpshooting" the system but I digress.