I agree, it's an outstanding document.

Not being willing to put more than 10 minutes into such an important topic is exactly what we're up against. This is the same reason there are so few people at union meetings.

Oh well. We'll get the contract we deserve.

What do you mean?
It compares in bullet points, the main contract areas of our peers. I found the narrow body/ regional ratio comparison to be the most eye opening.

You're right it doesn't compare full language.


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Did anything in the guide surprise you?

He's not United so he can't access it.

I didn't realize AA had 200 more airplanes than we do.

I saw nothing in the report that caught me by surprise, including aircraft fleet sizes, pay rates, rigs, reserve rules, etc, comparisons.

I chose to fill out the survey without completely reading the guide, knowing that I could refer back to the guide if I needed clarification on anything. I didn't need to refer back to the guide when I filled out the survey. While it's nice to read every single aviation related publication out there, a lot of the stuff I read is the same as other sources of information I've already read so I don't read everything cover to cover. If you find my methodology distasteful, I can't help you because I'm not going to spend a couple hours rereading stuff I already know.

You're back-pedalling and making yourself look silly.

What Grumble and I were reacting to was your comment:

"I spent 10 minutes looking at it and didn't make it through very far. I wish there had been a Cliff Notes version highlighting those areas where we're behind our peers."

In other words, you couldn't be bothered to even read the whole thing.

Now you say:

"I saw nothing in the report that caught me by surprise"

Well, if you "didn't make it very far" then it's pretty obvious why you saw nothing that caught you by surprise.

Nobody said you have to read "every single aviation related publication," but it would be nice if you could at least read the ones put out by your own union. Especially the ones that are this comprehensive and come at an important time in our history.

That's ok, the rest of us can study the material and invest the cranium time necessary to make wise decisions.

Ah, another attempt at virtue shaming. I will make sure to read cover to cover every 84 page document the ALPA puts together before filling out future contract surveys. Thanks; I feel absolutely terrible that I filled out the contract survey without spending several hours reading the accompanying document cover to cover.

FWIW, I did the survey without opening the contract comparison. The survey was asking me where I thought the contract could be improved. I don't need a guide to figure out what my opinion is.

Obviously, by showing up month after month and working under this contract, you already have an informed enough opinion to fill out the survey. Nobody's said otherwise. But Andy saying he couldn't focus for longer than 10 minutes on the comparison document seems lame. If that constitutes "virtue shaming" then I'm profoundly sorry.