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06-11-2017, 10:56 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by davessn763
What base is going to shrink or close? The small bases are around 100 crews.
06-11-2017, 11:58 AM
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I flew the 10 and 727 out of there for a brief period. London and Hawaii on the 10, alot of different stuff on the 72.
The base shrank as the loss margins widened with the LCC's invasion and marketing realized ( and admitted), that Denver is a relatively small remote city with little O and D traffic.
The reason Denver opened in the first place was that prior to jets, everyone needed a refueling stop between the coastal hubs.
Denver will open, grow and shrink again when this current group of marketing gurus admit it's a loser for anything larger than 150 seats. Always has been.
Finally to answer your question; the flying will be very inconsistent as marketing hunts and pecks for yield in a thin market.
The base shrank as the loss margins widened with the LCC's invasion and marketing realized ( and admitted), that Denver is a relatively small remote city with little O and D traffic.
The reason Denver opened in the first place was that prior to jets, everyone needed a refueling stop between the coastal hubs.
Denver will open, grow and shrink again when this current group of marketing gurus admit it's a loser for anything larger than 150 seats. Always has been.
Finally to answer your question; the flying will be very inconsistent as marketing hunts and pecks for yield in a thin market.
06-11-2017, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
I flew the 10 and 727 out of there for a brief period. London and Hawaii on the 10, alot of different stuff on the 72.
The base shrank as the loss margins widened with the LCC's invasion and marketing realized ( and admitted), that Denver is a relatively small remote city with little O and D traffic.
The reason Denver opened in the first place was that prior to jets, everyone needed a refueling stop between the coastal hubs.
Denver will open, grow and shrink again when this current group of marketing gurus admit it's a loser for anything larger than 150 seats. Always has been.
Finally to answer your question; the flying will be very inconsistent as marketing hunts and pecks for yield in a thin market.
The base shrank as the loss margins widened with the LCC's invasion and marketing realized ( and admitted), that Denver is a relatively small remote city with little O and D traffic.
The reason Denver opened in the first place was that prior to jets, everyone needed a refueling stop between the coastal hubs.
Denver will open, grow and shrink again when this current group of marketing gurus admit it's a loser for anything larger than 150 seats. Always has been.
Finally to answer your question; the flying will be very inconsistent as marketing hunts and pecks for yield in a thin market.
06-11-2017, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
I At our flight ops pow wows, management has consistently opined that "Denver is our most profitable hub".
Last I heard SFO had the number one spot.
A quick check shows Denver ranked at number 18 by GDP in US metro areas, wedged firmly between Baltimore and San Diego, below other such megalopolises as Detroit, Minneapolis and Seattle.
Confirms my belief about marketing Turks.
edit;
I just realized that we could take on Icelandair to Keflavik. Nevermind..
Last edited by BMEP100; 06-11-2017 at 01:16 PM.
06-11-2017, 04:02 PM
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For BMEP (I underlined DEN's O&D ranking): https://www.flydenver.com/about/pres...senger_traffic
In 2016, DEN saw a record-setting 58.3 million passengers
This ranks DEN as the third-fastest growing airport in the world, behind only Kuala Lumpur and Delhi
DEN as the sixth busiest airport in the U.S. and 19th busiest in the world (according to 2015 numbers. 2016 figures have yet to be released)
Approximately 65 percent of travelers at DEN are origination and destination (O&D) passengers, and 35 percent are connecting
Approximately 35 million annual domestic passengers are O&D passengers, making DEN the fourth-largest domestic O&D hub in the U.S.
International traffic at DEN accounts for approximately 2.2 million passengers annually – approximately 4 percent of the airport’s total passenger traffic
In 2016, DEN saw a record-setting 58.3 million passengers
This ranks DEN as the third-fastest growing airport in the world, behind only Kuala Lumpur and Delhi
DEN as the sixth busiest airport in the U.S. and 19th busiest in the world (according to 2015 numbers. 2016 figures have yet to be released)
Approximately 65 percent of travelers at DEN are origination and destination (O&D) passengers, and 35 percent are connecting
Approximately 35 million annual domestic passengers are O&D passengers, making DEN the fourth-largest domestic O&D hub in the U.S.
International traffic at DEN accounts for approximately 2.2 million passengers annually – approximately 4 percent of the airport’s total passenger traffic
06-11-2017, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
For BMEP (I underlined DEN's O&D ranking): https://www.flydenver.com/about/pres...senger_traffic
In 2016, DEN saw a record-setting 58.3 million passengers
This ranks DEN as the third-fastest growing airport in the world, behind only Kuala Lumpur and Delhi
DEN as the sixth busiest airport in the U.S. and 19th busiest in the world (according to 2015 numbers. 2016 figures have yet to be released)
Approximately 65 percent of travelers at DEN are origination and destination (O&D) passengers, and 35 percent are connecting
Approximately 35 million annual domestic passengers are O&D passengers, making DEN the fourth-largest domestic O&D hub in the U.S.
International traffic at DEN accounts for approximately 2.2 million passengers annually – approximately 4 percent of the airport’s total passenger traffic
In 2016, DEN saw a record-setting 58.3 million passengers
This ranks DEN as the third-fastest growing airport in the world, behind only Kuala Lumpur and Delhi
DEN as the sixth busiest airport in the U.S. and 19th busiest in the world (according to 2015 numbers. 2016 figures have yet to be released)
Approximately 65 percent of travelers at DEN are origination and destination (O&D) passengers, and 35 percent are connecting
Approximately 35 million annual domestic passengers are O&D passengers, making DEN the fourth-largest domestic O&D hub in the U.S.
International traffic at DEN accounts for approximately 2.2 million passengers annually – approximately 4 percent of the airport’s total passenger traffic
Were these figures compiled by Denver airport authority or their lobbyists, I wonder.
Their source citation is "Denver Marketing". Curious they didn't use DoT data or link their reports.
06-11-2017, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
As someone pointed out. Southwest has done a remarkable job in Denver... of creating a market. It's just not our market.
Were these figures compiled by Denver airport authority or their lobbyists, I wonder.
Their source citation is "Denver Marketing". Curious they didn't use DoT data or link their reports.
Were these figures compiled by Denver airport authority or their lobbyists, I wonder.
Their source citation is "Denver Marketing". Curious they didn't use DoT data or link their reports.
I tried to sift through the DoT data before posting that link/quote. In spite of spending half an hour or so, I wasn't able to find where DoT hides those numbers. YMMV. If you can find a current list of top O&D cities in the US, please post it.
I've seen other (older) posts on different websites where DEN was near the top of the list for O&D. Others at/near the top were NYC, LAX, LAS, MCO.
Denver has a lot of regional headquarters for Federal agencies so I could see where it generates a lot of O&D traffic, not to mention O&D from all of the skiers in the winter.
06-11-2017, 07:01 PM
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Here are the numbers for 2016 domestic origin/destination for all our hubs from the DOT:
Chicago (all airports) 2,360,000
Houston (all airports) 1,109,000
New York (all airports)= 3,391,000
Wash DC (all airports)= 2,116,000
Cle = 418,000
Denver = 1,563,000
LA (all airports)= 3,168,000
SFO (all airports)= 2,483,000
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Oneway...d=&sort_order=
Chicago (all airports) 2,360,000
Houston (all airports) 1,109,000
New York (all airports)= 3,391,000
Wash DC (all airports)= 2,116,000
Cle = 418,000
Denver = 1,563,000
LA (all airports)= 3,168,000
SFO (all airports)= 2,483,000
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/Oneway...d=&sort_order=
06-12-2017, 04:51 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
I flew the 10 and 727 out of there for a brief period. London and Hawaii on the 10, alot of different stuff on the 72.
The base shrank as the loss margins widened with the LCC's invasion and marketing realized ( and admitted), that Denver is a relatively small remote city with little O and D traffic.
The reason Denver opened in the first place was that prior to jets, everyone needed a refueling stop between the coastal hubs.
Denver will open, grow and shrink again when this current group of marketing gurus admit it's a loser for anything larger than 150 seats. Always has been.
Finally to answer your question; the flying will be very inconsistent as marketing hunts and pecks for yield in a thin market.
The base shrank as the loss margins widened with the LCC's invasion and marketing realized ( and admitted), that Denver is a relatively small remote city with little O and D traffic.
The reason Denver opened in the first place was that prior to jets, everyone needed a refueling stop between the coastal hubs.
Denver will open, grow and shrink again when this current group of marketing gurus admit it's a loser for anything larger than 150 seats. Always has been.
Finally to answer your question; the flying will be very inconsistent as marketing hunts and pecks for yield in a thin market.
The decisions made now won't be validated for 2-5 years. I hope it works, but I just turn the wheel, and pull the gear handle. But I do pay attention, and have skin in the game.
If the company is going to continue to make monumental staffing changes every 2-5 years, maybe a monumental change to our commuter policy might be an important bullet to start our next negotiations.
But, I agree with BMEP.
06-12-2017, 05:15 AM
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The 757 departures are already here. A base will just save a sheet ton of cash in crew hotels according to Howard. In any case, apparently it's gonna happen, and it's a boon for us Denver dwellers. Bring it on baby! Wheeeew. 
