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M5000 06-21-2017 06:18 PM

I put a piece in for mandatory add pay for acceptance of potential duty day extensions: global or non, regardless of legs per day.

terminal 06-21-2017 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by M5000 (Post 2383022)
I put a piece in for mandatory add pay for acceptance of potential duty day extensions: global or non, regardless of legs per day.

I think an issue that could come up is people continuing when they shouldn't and not doing an honest self assessment just to get the extra pay.

M5000 06-21-2017 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by terminal (Post 2383040)
I think an issue that could come up is people continuing when they shouldn't and not doing an honest self assessment just to get the extra pay.



I can see that as a valid concern. It should be equally as valid on the global fleet as on the domestic. I assume there has been some history behind the contract's applicable LOA's, etc. it seems if I think it's safe to extend, then I should be compensated. I'd love an explanation from a good historian.

MasterOfPuppets 06-22-2017 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by M5000 (Post 2383022)
I put a piece in for mandatory add pay for acceptance of potential duty day extensions: global or non, regardless of legs per day.

I go back and forth on this topic. INTL it's a formality to extend. How do you predict fatigue on a 15hr flight where you get 7hrs in the bunk? I can either get 7 good hours of sleep or toss and turn for 7 hours and be exhausted. So giving 5 hrs of pay to INTL pilots encourages them to go max FARs.

However on the domestic side I think it can breed unsafe conditions. You show me a pilot who won't extend for 5 hrs of pay. I don't think that pilot exists.

With that said having special carveouts for certain pilots over the same rules is BS. This is why I go back and forth.

okawner 06-22-2017 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by terminal (Post 2383040)
I think an issue that could come up is people continuing when they shouldn't and not doing an honest self assessment just to get the extra pay.

People already have other motivations to continue when they shouldn't...might as well get paid.

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propfails2FX 06-22-2017 04:23 PM

Did mine. I've got a new response to the endless complaining, "Did you take the survey?"

How did the OP surmise a 25% participation rate? I don't doubt it, just wondering where the figure came from.

terminal 06-22-2017 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by propfails2FX (Post 2383510)
Did mine. I've got a new response to the endless complaining, "Did you take the survey?"

How did the OP surmise a 25% participation rate? I don't doubt it, just wondering where the figure came from.

I think one of the ALPA emails said only 1/4 of the pilot group had done it.

Andy 06-22-2017 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by Count Dracula (Post 2382588)
Did it a week ago....10 mins tops.

Wow. I got crucified on here a few weeks ago for not reading the entire Contract Comparison Guide (included in the survey) in detail - it would take longer than 10 mins just to skim the Guide.

Grumble 06-23-2017 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by propfails2FX (Post 2383510)
Did mine. I've got a new response to the endless complaining, "Did you take the survey?"

How did the OP surmise a 25% participation rate? I don't doubt it, just wondering where the figure came from.

Yup!

"Btchbtchbtchbtch"
"You fill out the contract survey?"
<blank stare>
"Yeah, shut it"

Deafguppy 06-24-2017 10:22 AM

Done! Interesting comparison guide too.


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