The new United staffing model???
06-27-2017, 04:24 AM
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The new United staffing model???
So I don't have enough knowledge to even hazard a guess as to what this means, but I find it incredulous and my gut tells me it will boomerang in the other direction next fall. Either way it gives me pause for the moment and certainly dulls my normal exuberance. It just doesn't jive with the expansion in flying and the growth in the fleet. We're we really THAT fat?? (The lists below show Retirements/Active Pilots/Minimum Needed/Maximum Needed/Vacancies)
Here is the MIN/MAX table from October 2016 showing a minimum of 10793:
and then here is the MIN/MAX table from November 2017 showing we need 1000 less pilots than we did a year ago . . . what the heck!
Here is the MIN/MAX table from October 2016 showing a minimum of 10793:
and then here is the MIN/MAX table from November 2017 showing we need 1000 less pilots than we did a year ago . . . what the heck!
06-27-2017, 04:29 AM
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The vacancy announcement states that the MIN/MAX for this bid takes into account the seasonal pull down. In other words they do not want to backfill this bid and will address summer '18 later.
Anyways keep up your positivity Sunvox it's more fun to read than the '89 and crew saying the world is ending.
Anyways keep up your positivity Sunvox it's more fun to read than the '89 and crew saying the world is ending.
06-27-2017, 07:48 AM
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Min/max on a system bid doesn't translate to real staffing. If you want a true picture of staffing take the Pbs line credit averages for a given month and compare to a year earlier. That's more work than I'm interested in doing myself but if you are so inclined it should paint a truer picture of staffing.
06-27-2017, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Also keep in mind they zeroed out LAX 777 CA/FO , SFO 747 CA/FO and IAH 787 CA/FO. That's about 500 bodies that aren't taken into account on the MIN/MAX
06-27-2017, 09:48 AM
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No backfills today. Junior number on this Snap 2250 compared to 1800ish being the current junior man. Probably won't hold but would allow more -400 FO's to bump into the left seat of the 777 instead of going 787. No -400 folks are on this snapshot as expected. They may as well wait until next month's big displacement.
06-27-2017, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 89Pistons
No backfills today. Junior number on this Snap 2250 compared to 1800ish being the current junior man. Probably won't hold but would allow more -400 FO's to bump into the left seat of the 777 instead of going 787. No -400 folks are on this snapshot as expected. They may as well wait until next month's big displacement.
06-27-2017, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
So I don't have enough knowledge to even hazard a guess as to what this means, but I find it incredulous and my gut tells me it will boomerang in the other direction next fall. Either way it gives me pause for the moment and certainly dulls my normal exuberance. It just doesn't jive with the expansion in flying and the growth in the fleet. We're we really THAT fat?? (The lists below show Retirements/Active Pilots/Minimum Needed/Maximum Needed/Vacancies)
Here is the MIN/MAX table from October 2016 showing a minimum of 10793:
and then here is the MIN/MAX table from November 2017 showing we need 1000 less pilots than we did a year ago . . . what the heck!
Here is the MIN/MAX table from October 2016 showing a minimum of 10793:
and then here is the MIN/MAX table from November 2017 showing we need 1000 less pilots than we did a year ago . . . what the heck!
We were paying many hundreds of pilots to not fly, and paying hundreds of others 140 hours a month via SRM, JRM, etc. Same with the FA's.
Hopefully the adults are in charge now. But the bumps are going to be painful for a lot of very JR pilots in BES's where they shouldn't be. I think the 756 left seaters below 5500 are going to go away when it all settles out. Same with the 787 CA's less than 2200.
Look out below.
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